Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[the sceptic]

Cool.
What about the people who don't actually read what he writes?

What about people that read what he writes on twitter, but cant be bothered to purchase his articles?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I believe I have covered numerous times on this thread, but can happily do so again.

1. I have read all Walshs articles.
2. Walsh has interviewed everyone relevant. He has discussed Leinders in 5 different articles. He even gave extracts from Blood Brothers about how Lienders was central to Rabobanks doping.
So, is he on the Sky payroll - no. And his most recent piece on JTL shows that is he is not and that he has gained a source inside Sky - silly Sky.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

What about people that read what he writes on twitter, but cant be bothered to purchase his articles?

What about them?
Nothing is stopping them buying the paper or subscribing to the online editions.
Their choice.

 

[gooner]

What about people that read what he writes on twitter, but cant be bothered to purchase his articles?

If you can't pay the €2.80 like I do in the shop to read his pieces, I suggest don't comment.

His articles are where he will substantiate everything, not twitter.

 

[martinvickers]

Armstrong had death threats prior to the 04 ITT up the alpe.

Death threats!

Crazy!

They are, yes. It's a fookin' bike race. I hated that sh!t as much as anyone else, but you simply. Dont. Assault. Riders. If you can't have a basic level of trust in ider safety, no matter how 'unpopular', then the whole sport is in danger.

Comedy syringes from the French are hardly scary in comparison.

comedy syringes. Well, theydon't really advance the issue, but they are harmless. Squirting stuff into people's mouths is something a hell of a lot more sinister. today it's water. If they get away with it what will some nutter use tomorrow? tainited liquids? Acid?

Still ASO allowing two trips up the Alpe with more booze to sink a battleship was always bound to cause trouble.

Maybe next year they can cage in the French or adopt the British Police tactic of kettlerling.

It's kettling, and it ain't gonna work on mountain.

Darn the French. Acting like its their country and their race

It's their country. It's not their race. It's ASO's race. And regardless, that is not good enough reason to assault a rider. Never. Hog, you're coming dangerously close to an apologist for violence or assault here...

 

[thehog]

Never. Hog, you're coming dangerously close to an apologist for violence or assault here...

I am?

Probably shouldn't have said how ugly I thought some of the behavior was and how it wasn't warranted.

I'm sorry for behaving like the terrorist I really am.

Slow down Martin. Pointing fingers all over the place is just as ugly.

It's doesn't help.

Cheer up son

 

[sniper]

If you can't pay the €2.80 like I do in the shop to read his pieces, I suggest don't comment.

His articles are where he will substantiate everything, not twitter.

his articles fully substantiate what bianchigirl (whom we can certainly not accuse of a bias) aptly called a lack of distance between walsh and sky.

 

[the sceptic]

If you can't pay the €2.80 like I do in the shop to read his pieces, I suggest don't comment.

His articles are where he will substantiate everything, not twitter.

Yes, but if reading his twitter makes you think anything further he writes about sky would have no interest to you and wouldnt be worth your time/money why bother?

 

[gooner]

Ferrari was hiding in his camper van on mountains to work with USPS.

Why not Leinders in secrecy?

Leinders is not Ferrari. He was not freelancing.

The idea that Sky did not know when Walsh was going to arrive and not have time to prepare for his arrival is crazy. D

You're either for having a journalist around a team or not. I remember many in the clinic going off on one when Kimmage told Shane Stokes wasn't allowed to follow them for the entire Tour

Why has he not interviewed Mick Barry, Sean Yates, Motoman, Michael Rasmussen?

And what's Rasmussen going to say that's new. Is he going to say anything about what Leinders is up to Sky? No. The Times have written about Motoman/Porte/Froome. Keep looking but The Times, The ST, The Telegraph and The Daily Mail have all reported on Leinders, Yates, Motoman, Barry, and Rodgers. Walsh has also spoken to Julich.

 

[martinvickers]

I am?

Probably shouldn't have said how ugly I thought some of the behavior was and how it wasn't warranted.

I'm sorry for behaving like the terrorist I really am.

Slow down Martin. Pointing fingers all over the place is just as ugly.

It's doesn't help.

Cheer up son

Look, fair enough, Hog, I'll back off that a bit, i was misreading humour there, sorry, but rider safety is a big issue with me, no matter how scummy the rider, you just don't attack them physically on the road. Full stop. end of sentence, no ifs no buts.

And I'll be honest, the comedy syringes et al don't bother me in the least, perfectly acceptable free speech. But the Alpe was frankly scary in parts this year - and not particularly irish corner, which was a great addition and long may she reign - but dutch corner was insane, and there were simply too many people on some other parts, not really being careful enough of the riders. Ventoux was mad and crowded, but the Alpe, the Alpe was just lunacy in spots.

I am also very concerned that could be compounded with a few 'vigilantes' in anti-doping thinking they can do something...practical based on their hunches - the real syringe squirting really really worried me, it felt like a breach in the basic compact between spectator and rider that makes the race possible. And some people always want to up the ante on these things. So i think, comedy syringes aside, some of the more 'practical', 'physical' protests are best stamped on from the start, pour encourager les autres.

 

[thehog]

Leinders is not Ferrari. He was not freelancing.

He indeed was freelancing. That's why he was hired for only 80 days for the year.

Which became 40.

I wonder what Leinders was doing the rest of his time and for income?

 

[martinvickers]

Yes, but if reading his twitter makes you think anything further he writes about sky would have no interest to you and wouldnt be worth your time/money why bother?

If it's of no interest to you, don't comment. It's simple. If you want to comment, read. If you don't want to read, don't comment. Simples.

If your commenting, it suggests you are interested in it, you just can't be arsed reading/paying for it. Which makes that person both cheap AND ignorant.

 

[gooner]

He indeed was freelancing. That's why he was hired for only 80 days for the year.

Which became 40.

I wonder what Leinders was doing the rest of his time and for income?

So when has Leinders ever worked with riders in secrecy?

 

[Benotti69]

So when has Leinders ever worked with riders in secrecy?

On Rabobank maybe or were they openly declaring their doping program?

 

[thehog]

Look, fair enough, Hog, I'll back off that a bit, i was misreading humour there, sorry, but rider safety is a big issue with me, no matter how scummy the rider, you just don't attack them physically on the road. Full stop. end of sentence, no ifs no buts.

And I'll be honest, the comedy syringes et al don't bother me in the least, perfectly acceptable free speech. But the Alpe was frankly scary in parts this year - and not particularly irish corner, which was a great addition and long may she reign - but dutch corner was insane, and there were simply too many people on some other parts, not really being careful enough of the riders. Ventoux was mad and crowded, but the Alpe, the Alpe was just lunacy in spots.

I am also very concerned that could be compounded with a few 'vigilantes' in anti-doping thinking they can do something...practical based on their hunches - the real syringe squirting really really worried me, it felt like a breach in the basic compact between spectator and rider that makes the race possible. And some people always want to up the ante on these things. So i think, comedy syringes aside, some of the more 'practical', 'physical' protests are best stamped on from the start, pour encourager les autres.

I'm on your side. I really am. I went to the Alpe in 01 and never went back again for a Tour. Just to ride it.

I agree it mental. A combination of a lot of booze and very bored people who've been camping for 24-48 hours.

I was at the Tour in 04 and didn't even bother to go up the alpe to watch the ITT. I watched in bar a short distance away. Just wasn't going to compete with all the morons on the mountain who wanted Armstrong's blood.

But I do blame ASO for some of the mess. Twice up the alpe? What were they thinking?

The French are more sensitive to doping than other nations with good reason. Teams have to respect that the French have put up with doping in their country for years.

Imagine if in the UK police efforts were tied up chasing skinny cyclists out of hotel windows!

I jestt a little but its not all one way traffic here.

 

[Benotti69]

If it's of no interest to you, don't comment. It's simple. If you want to comment, read. If you don't want to read, don't comment. Simples.

If your commenting, it suggests you are interested in it, you just can't be arsed reading/paying for it. Which makes that person both cheap AND ignorant.

Name calling is a no no Marty.

Since when did you make the rules about what posters can post.

 

[martinvickers]

Name calling is a no no Marty.

Since when did you make the rules about what posters can post.

Where's the name calling. It's a general comment.

I don't make any rules. It's a simple matte of basic sense. IF you attempt to comment on the value of something you haven't even read, you're not to be taken seriously.

To suggest otherwise is risible.

 

[gooner]

On Rabobank maybe or were they openly declaring their doping program?

It was publicly known he was Rabo's doctor.

Ferrari was trying to keep his relationship with Lance private.

 

[Benotti69]

Where's the name calling. It's a general comment.

I don't make any rules. It's a simple matte of basic sense. IF you attempt to comment on the value of something you haven't even read, you're not to be taken seriously.

To suggest otherwise is risible.

You are calling TheSceptic cheap and ignorant.

Posters can post an opinion, whether you agree or not.

To suggest the sport has cleanED up since 05 then in 08 and again '11 is risible, but people do and Walsh is peddling it.

 

[the sceptic]

Where's the name calling. It's a general comment.

I don't make any rules. It's a simple matte of basic sense. IF you attempt to comment on the value of something you haven't even read, you're not to be taken seriously.

To suggest otherwise is risible.

Im sure his articles are nobel prize winning material, but why is it impossible to get an opinion on him from reading his twitter?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

his articles fully substantiate what bianchigirl (whom we can certainly not accuse of a bias) aptly called a lack of distance between walsh and sky.

She has a bias - she does not believe the Sky miracle (neither do I). But she has read the article - so even though I may disagree with her conclusion on Walsh I respect and consider her input.

Yes, but if reading his twitter makes you think anything further he writes about sky would have no interest to you and wouldnt be worth your time/money why bother?

Then that is because you have a bias. Just a few pages ago we had commentary on his tweets and I was able to give examples that did not as some suggest say he was suggesting Wiggins was going to have a great Giro.

Ultimately, if someone has their mind made up it has nothing to do with Walsh.

 

[martinvickers]

I'm on your side. I really am. I went to the Alpe in 01 and never went back again for a Tour. Just to ride it.

I agree it mental. A combination of a lot of booze and very bored people who've been camping for 24-48 hours.

I was at the Tour in 04 and didn't even bother to go up the alpe to watch the ITT. I watched in bar a short distance away. Just wasn't going to compete with all the morons on the mountain who wanted Armstrong's blood.

But I do blame ASO for some of the mess. Twice up the alpe? What were they thinking?

The French are more sensitive to doping than other nations with good reason. Teams have to respect that the French have put up with doping in their country for years.

I jestt a little but its not all one way traffic here.

That's a very fair response, Hog. Chapeau. And i agree on the Alpe x 2 - a ridiculously gimmicky thing to do - and added a stupidly dangerous descent to boot, which in the event, contador aside was all but neutralised anyway.

 

[Benotti69]

It was publicly known he was Rabo's doctor.

Ferrari was trying to keep his relationship with Lance private.

Leinders had not been busted. Ferrari had been.

But at this moment is Leinders working with riders? How would we know? Walsh doesn't appear to be looking. If Leinders is that good that Sky hired him and now he is not working for them he must be working with some athletes and riders. It appears it is his area of expertise so I guess the guy has to earn a living.

 

[martinvickers]

You are calling TheSceptic cheap and ignorant.

No,I'm not. It was a general comment, using 'you' as most native speakers here do as an alternative to the third person pronoun "on" in french and "mann" in german. If you (Benotti you, not general you) don't get that, that's not my problem.

Posters can post an opinion, whether you agree or not.

And I can post an opinion on that opinion, whether you agree or not.

To suggest the sport has cleanED up since 05 then in 08 and again '11 is risible, but people do and Walsh is peddling it.

'Risible' in your opinion, but you give little evidence to show why that opinion ought to be given any credence.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Leinders had not been busted. Ferrari had been.

But at this moment is Leinders working with riders? How would we know? Walsh doesn't appear to be looking. If Leinders is that good that Sky hired him and now he is not working for them he must be working with some athletes and riders. It appears it is his area of expertise so I guess the guy has to earn a living.

So, anything at all to support this opinion?

And what has any of it to do with Walsh?