Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[martinvickers]

Im sure his articles are nobel prize winning material, but why is it impossible to get an opinion on him from reading his twitter?

Because if you haven't read what he's written, what can you possibly add by commenting on what he's not written? How can you criticise the content of articles you don't know the content of. It's laughable.

 

[gooner]

So, anything at all to support this opinion?

And what has any of it to do with Walsh?

Benotti thinks he should be like Magnum PI.

 

[martinvickers]

Benotti thinks he should be like Magnum PI.

The mustache? Really? Not loving it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Benotti thinks he should be like Magnum PI.

Ya, but everyone knows Magnum P.I. was a Ferrari client.

 

[Benotti69]

No,I'm not. It was a general comment, using 'you' as most native speakers here do as an alternative to the third person pronoun "on" in french and "mann" in german. If you (Benotti you, not general you) don't get that, that's not my problem.

Since you are attacking someone for not having read something, checkout the 'announcement top of page,

I quote Daniel Benson "If you are using the word "you", you are probably engaging in a personal attack."

And I can post an opinion on that opinion, whether you agree or not.

'Risible' in your opinion, but you give little evidence to show why that opinion ought to be given any credence.

There is evidence to support the idea that the sport is clean.

 

[sniper]

if you read his tweets you practically know what youre gonna get served in his articles and forthcoming monograph on sky. it's a nobrainer.
and those of us who've gone through the effort of reading his articles to try and convince ourselves of the opposite have only been confirmed that it's a nobrainer. Staggering lack of distance.
To rehash one obvious example: any objective reporter should not believe in Froome until he's seen his pre-2011-vuelta passport data with his own eyes or until he's seen an independent specialist go through those data.
To accept Freeman's word on it is just classic facepalm stuff. If you're not insulted or baffled by that, cool, but I am.

You wanna go on the record and deny that there is a lack of distance between walsh and sky?

 

[martinvickers]

Since you are attacking someone for not having read something, checkout the 'announcement top of page,

I quote Daniel Benson "If you are using the word "you", you are probably engaging in a personal attack."

Daniel's entitled to his opinion. In this case, he's wrong. As are you.

If he wishes to engage in a discussion of hiberno-english vernacular grammar with me, he knows where I am. A similar arrangement exists in American English. It's sometimes called the 'Generic 'You''

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Now are we done yet with the dead horse, Benotti?

There is evidence to support the idea that the sport is clean.

cleanER, Benotti. Let's get it right. I would never, and have never claimed clean, as in spotless. Now, back to the question at hand, where is your evidence, again?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

replace "a bias" with "common sense".
if you read his tweets you practically know what youre gonna get served in his articles and forthcoming monograph on sky. it's a nobrainer.
and those of us who've gone through the effort of reading his articles to try and convince ourselves of the opposite have only been confirmed that it's a nobrainer. Staggering lack of distance.
To rehash one obvious example: any objective reporter should not believe in Froome until he's seen his pre-2011-vuelta passport data with his own eyes or until he's seen an independent specialist go through those data.
To accept Freeman's word on it is just classic facepalm stuff. If you're not insulted or baffled by that, cool, but I am.

You wanna go on the record and deny that there is a lack of distance between walsh and sky?

What does that even mean? "Lack of distance"?

Also - since you appear to be a specialist on journalistic standards, would it not be more appropriate to ask me an open question without some sort of assumed answer?

And since we are open to questions - have you read all the Sky articles that David Walsh has written in the Sunday Times this year?

 

[Benotti69]

Since you are attacking someone for not having read something, checkout the 'announcement top of page,

I quote Daniel Benson "If you are using the word "you", you are probably engaging in a personal attack."

Daniel's entitled to his opinion. In this case, he's wrong. As are you.

If he wishes to engage in a discussion of hiberno-english vernacular grammar with me, he knows where I am. A similar arrangement exists in American English.

See Here


cleanER, Benotti. Let's get it right. Now where is your evidence, again?

Selling cleanER is like saying instead of 10 blood bags it is 9. Still doping, cheating and gaining an unfair advantage. Glad you agree.

Until something actually changes Marty, to claim otherwise is silly. The sport has claimed it has changed numerous times. Always by the same corrupt heads running the sport.

Lets see if Cookson brings 'real' change. Then we might see some evidence.

 

[the sceptic]

Did my posts in the thread get deleted or am I going crazy? what rule did I break?

 

[martinvickers]

Did my posts in the thread get deleted or am I going crazy? what rule did I break?

I thought i noticed that.

 

[sittingbison]

I have deleted the entire sub convo about who's reading newspapers, tweets, facebook or subscribing. And although some useful bits might have got lost in the wash, tough. The entire lot was personal attacking, focusing on the poster.

Enough is enough. Stop focusing on the poster, and focus on what they say...or don't say. And this request about playing the ball not the man, not shooting the messenger has also been delivered across numerous threads numerous times that it is unequivocal.

Stop the personal attacks

not so cheers
bison

 

[thehog]

That's a very fair response, Hog. Chapeau. And i agree on the Alpe x 2 - a ridiculously gimmicky thing to do - and added a stupidly dangerous descent to boot, which in the event, contador aside was all but neutralised anyway

In regards to the Alpe people forget that outside the UK and US cycling is very much a working class sport. 80's trade teams were factories and concrete producers. They sponsored the teams because the races used to pass the factories on the roads in Italy, France, Spain etc.

So a lotta working class guys p1ssed up for hours on end see super team with Jaguars, Pinrello Dogma's etc they want snub it. And the drugs factor and seeing their country become an importation hub then they get annoyed.

The French love a good protest. But they take it too far as do the Dutch and Germans.

Walsh may have been better looking at the history of the Alpe to see the behavior had been going on for years to whom ever was the dominant rider of the day. Then perhaps addressed that ASO organising laps of the Alpe may not have been the best idea for a sport where the crowd is actually in the race.

Cound was right on that one.

 

[thehog]

So when has Leinders ever worked with riders in secrecy?

That would be a secret would it not?

 

[gooner]

That would be a secret would it not?

When he was known publicly as their doctor. He was an employee of those teams.

 

[thehog]

When he was known publicly as their doctor. He was an employee of those teams.

He was a doctor of those teams, and riders, yes?

Riders in open court have provided testimony that Leinders doped them and ran a doping program.

 

[gooner]

He was a doctor of those teams, and riders, yes?

Riders in open court have provided testimony that Leinders doped them and ran a doping program.

He's done as a doctor in the sport. No sane team will touch him with a barge pole after what has been disclosed from his past. He's under criminal investigation from earlier in the year.

 

[thehog]

He's done as a doctor in the sport. No sane team will touch him with a barge pole after what has been disclosed from his past. He's under criminal investigation from earlier in the year.

Did Ferrari ever stop?

Armstrong was transferring him a million dollars! A million.

 

[sittingbison]

lets keep it on topic fallas....Walsh/Bandwagon.

and YES please be aware that if you make claims...even outlandish ones...they should be backed up with a link and/or quote.

cheers
bison

 

[elduggo]

Idiots who were smashing eggs and beers of the Sky car on the Alpe. Read Alan Farrell's comments on saying fans were rocking the car from side to side. Yes they are idiots.

Pretty obvious what I was talking about.

that didn't happen at Irish corner. And it certainly wasn't Irish people, as Walsh implied.

As for the comments about Porte saying they weren't French people abusing him. Well, also at 'Irish Corner' that day were South Africans, Brits, Danes, Dutch, folks from the Ivory Coast, Spanish, and thats just the nationalities I interacted with or am aware of.

Walsh, however, in the context of his previous tweets, is clearly implying that it was Irish people. And I can state categorically this was not the case.

 

[elduggo]

I'm only referring to the Irish in relation to Porte. Just for the record, I'm wasn't saying they were rocking the car from side to side.

The Irish did nothing to Porte. Unless it was at Dutch corner, in which case I can't comment.

 

[elduggo]

Occam therefore suggests, only suggests mind, that a few of. the irish let a few of the sky boys know their feelings. porte heard, and then wrongly connected that 'discussion' with much worse french inspired abuse later. big deal. that's perfectly fine, free speech. Porte, therefore, was wrong, or at best imprecise . But to suggest from that alone that he was lying because of some inate anti-irish bias takes a bit of a leap, and asks more questions than it answers.

I would be very surprised if there was any anti-Irish bias as far as Porte goes. His agent his Irish, as is his girlfriend (or at least she has Irish family). Porte was over here for a week in the summer and there were many sightings of him out and about on his bike.

Which leads me to conclude that Walsh has somehow twisted what Porte told him to level accusations (via implication) at Irish folk.

 

[elduggo]

you DO NOT ASSAULT a rider.

Never. Full stop.

though unintentional, in the fight that occurred at Irish Corner between the French and British, Alexandre Geniez was knocked from his bike.

I also informed Walsh of this, suggesting that maybe he talk to the rider to get his account of events (including who it was that helped get him going again).

Also, the Gendarme at that corner took the details of everyone involved in the scuffle. I also suggested to Walsh that he contact them to get a comment on how they saw things.

As expected, he ignored me.

 

[RownhamHill]

that didn't happen at Irish corner. And it certainly wasn't Irish people, as Walsh implied.

As for the comments about Porte saying they weren't French people abusing him. Well, also at 'Irish Corner' that day were South Africans, Brits, Danes, Dutch, folks from the Ivory Coast, Spanish, and thats just the nationalities I interacted with or am aware of.

Walsh, however, in the context of his previous tweets, is clearly implying that it was Irish people. And I can state categorically this was not the case.

See, right here is the problem. I have no doubt that you were on the Alpe, with a lot of Irish people, and were well behaved. Based on everything I've read from other people, I've no doubt that the majority of Irish people were well behaved.

The first bolded bit sounds fair enough - implying that there might have been other nationalities there that you didn't interact with. Obviously no one in a big shouting crowd can interact with everyone, let alone hear everything that everyone says at any given point.

But.

Then you sate, categorically, that is wasn't Irish people who abused Porte at all. How could you possibly account for every single comment by Irish people on the Alpe (or even at that corner?). And as such how could you possibly make such a categorical statement?

Let me be clear. I have no idea who abused Porte, I wasn't there, I don't care. But it's hella funny reading Irish people trying to refute any suggestion that anyone from Ireland could possibly have been involved in any kind of inappropriate abuse, just because they themselves are Irish, and they themselves didn't do anything wrong. . .

 

[elduggo]

Then you sate, categorically, that is wasn't Irish people who abused Porte at all. How could you possibly account for every single comment by Irish people on the Alpe (or even at that corner?). And as such how could you possibly make such a categorical statement?

because there weren't that many people there.