Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Well, if you actually read this thread - that something happened to Sky and others is not in dispute, just their nationality.

But where is the proof to that? At least this was shot on Semnoz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHJistBOCu8

No handycams on the Alpe filming the altercations?

Which we have covered here - it took Walsh 2 years to be able to find anything substantive to write about his suspicions. And less to time to get the JTL piece.

You actually mean he got a tip very soon?

Dont forget the groundwork on Armstrong was done by a certain Frenchman, who isnt keen on seeking publicity.

Nothing Froome did this year approached Pantani on the Hautacam ludicrous. Check the numbers yourself, it just didn't. But if you went ONLY by the level of probing, you'd think the bike he rode was putting out petrol fumes.

Yes it was, I will open a topic soon on this. Indurain was the ludicrous there by the way.

Name them - just 10 examples of people who have read all his articles on Sky, thanks.

This crap again?

They were as good as the Secret Pro's blog by the way.

 

[gooner]

It just demonstrates that Walsh is not the crusader that some think he is.

He tends to be selective dependant on who he likes and where his next pay cheque is coming from.

This is all pre-Sky so it puts his recent behavior into context.

So what about Michelle Smith and corruption in FIFA. With FIFA, the Sunday Times got a lot of heat and accused of hindering England's hopes of hosting the 2018 World Cup. The same here with Smith where he, Kimmage and Eamon Dunphy got a hard time. We can't forget Roche/Conconi either. He has taken a lot over the years and remember Kimmage at one point told him to back off from Armstrong as he felt it was affecting his family and wasn't worth it.

Some like to portray Walsh as only going after Lance and that's it.

 

[Benotti69]

So what about Michelle Smith and corruption in FIFA. With FIFA, the Sunday Times got a lot of heat and accused of hindering England's hopes of hosting the 2018 World Cup. The same here with Smith where he, Kimmage and Eamon Dunphy got a hard time. We can't forget Roche/Conconi either. He has taken a lot over the years and remember Kimmage at one point told him to back off from Armstrong as he felt it was affecting his family and wasn't worth it.

Some like to portray Walsh as only going after Lance and that's it.

Why is Walsh not applying the same criteria he used in the Smith case agaisnt Sky?

Smith came from nowhere to win Olympic golds.

Froome came from nowhere to win the TdF!

! had a dodgy husband the other a dodgy doping doctor.

No comparisons

Kimmage told Walsh to back off Armstrong and ST kicked Kimmage off because he was criticising their Team

 

[del1962]

It just demonstrates that Walsh is not the crusader that some think he is.

He tends to be selective dependant on who he likes and where his next pay cheque is coming from.

This is all pre-Sky so it puts his recent behavior into context.

You said he just went against Armstrong, ppl proove you wrong with examples, so you change your story

Why can't you be consistent in what you say?

 

[thehog]

You said he just went against Armstrong, ppl proove you wrong with examples, so you change your story

Why can't you be consistent in what you say?

Its not about me. Its about Walsh.

Remember that.

Stage 6 - TA...

 

[del1962]

Its not about me. Its about Walsh.

Remember that.

Stage 6 - TA...

Yes, it is about Walsh, a man I respect, but it is hard to discuss with you when you are flip flopping, first you say Waslh was just after Armstrong, then Roche is mentioned and you then say it was all pre-Sky, I am unsure of what your next change of mind will be

 

[Dr. Maserati]

But where is the proof to that? At least this was shot on Semnoz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHJistBOCu8

No handycams on the Alpe filming the altercations?
You actually mean he got a tip very soon?

Dont forget the groundwork on Armstrong was done by a certain Frenchman, who isnt keen on seeking publicity.

This post is all over the place - and quite frankly you appear spoiling for a fight, I am not interested.

But if you wish indeed to discuss something we can do that - but you may wish to clarify what I am meant to 'prove'.
Are you denying the video showing the (French allegedly) guys locked in their van on Irish corner?

Which Frenchman did the groundwork on Armstrong for Walsh? Pierre?
If so did Pierre get Swart on record, or go to the US and interview multiple people?

Yes it was, I will open a topic soon on this. Indurain was the ludicrous there by the way.

This crap again?

They were as good as the Secret Pro's blog by the way.

You mention Froome Pantani & Hautaaum - it seems like a 'quote" from someone, who?
And what has it to do with Walsh?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

This post is all over the place - and quite frankly you appear spoiling for a fight, I am not interested.

And again a deflection. Indeed, not interested, I will read Walsh's next piece on Sky with more pleasure then engaging in this nonsense.

 

[martinvickers]

Its not about me. Its about Walsh.

Remember that.

Stage 6 - TA...

When you so clearly contradict yourself, you forfeit the right to 'good faith' in the debate. Without 'good faith', you can't simply be taken at your word anymore.

That's when it becomes about you, Hog.

 

[thehog]

When you so clearly contradict yourself, you forfeit the right to 'good faith' in the debate. Without 'good faith', you can't simply be taken at your word anymore.

That's when it becomes about you, Hog.

Oh no, Martin don't turn on me.

Shall we revise you telling us Froome hadn't be back to altitude after the Tour?

Flip flopping indeed.

Lets stay on topic. It’s the Walsh thread.

Yours faithfully,

Hog.

 

[gooner]

Why is Walsh not applying the same criteria he used in the Smith case agaisnt Sky?

Smith came from nowhere to win Olympic golds.

Froome came from nowhere to win the TdF!

! had a dodgy husband the other a dodgy doping doctor.

No comparisons

Smith continued to work with him even under media pressure. Sky ditched Leinders after de Rooy's comments. If they were still working with him now, Walsh would be on their case for it.

Smith became built like a Rugby League player overnight due to working with her husband. The dogs in the street could see she was doping.

Kimmage told Walsh to back off Armstrong and ST kicked Kimmage off because he was criticising their Team

Kimmage said he wasn't allowed to write an article on Lance during the Tour in 2009. He was on Setanta Ireland talking about his Landis interview which was out on the Sunday. I bought the ST at the time and the piece was in the magazine section and not the paper itself. It was a huge letdown and it was watered down hugely. The one I only know he was refused an article on Sky was in relation to when he was refused to follow the team for the entire 2010 Tour.

There might be others on Sky for all I know, but it wasn't entirely on Sky that he was refused to write articles on. Remember as well that a respected football journalist in Ian Hawkey was let go at the same time in cost cutting moves.

 

[Digger]

Kimmage had a piece pulled on Cadel and BMC in the third week of the 2011 tour by the times...
they said we can't keep you on, you aren't in the paper enough...he said well yee keep pulling my pieces.
I won't reveal his name...it wasn't Kimmage or Walsh, but one other journo that I know of had a piece on Sky pulled by the times in 2012...either write positive or go home they said.

 

[Parker]

Kimmage had a piece pulled on Cadel and BMC in the third week of the 2011 tour by the times...
they said we can't keep you on, you aren't in the paper enough...he said well yee keep pulling my pieces.
I won't reveal his name...it wasn't Kimmage or Walsh, but one other journo that I know of had a piece on Sky pulled by the times in 2012...either write positive or go home they said.

If Kimmage had some great story on Evans then maybe he should have submitted that to the Independent in July rather than the insipid pieces he did submit.

 

[The Hitch]

Yes, it is about Walsh, a man I respect, but it is hard to discuss with you when you are flip flopping, first you say Waslh was just after Armstrong, then Roche is mentioned and you then say it was all pre-Sky, I am unsure of what your next change of mind will be

You don't have a problem with Walsh flip flopping though? Climbing speeds are proof of doping. Climbing speeds are a good reason to believe in Sky.

Then his man starts climbing fast.

Ermm, no they don't mean anything anymore.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Kimmage had a piece pulled on Cadel and BMC in the third week of the 2011 tour by the times...
they said we can't keep you on, you aren't in the paper enough...he said well yee keep pulling my pieces.
I won't reveal his name...it wasn't Kimmage or Walsh, but one other journo that I know of had a piece on Sky pulled by the times in 2012...either write positive or go home they said.

I agree with everything you say - but the last highlighted part seems odd.

Was that actually said? Or is this your logical assumption?

I have no doubt there are middle management who would believe it is in the corporate interest to pull pieces - but your implication is that journalists were told point blank, "write positive or go home".
That would be a serious departure and is at odds with the piece published last week on JTL, which was not a puff piece.

 

[gooner]

It's also at odds with Owen Slot on about the Times writing about Froome, Porte and Motoman.

Regarding the piece pulled, Jeremy Whittle and Matt Dickinson are two Times journalist who also write on the sport. Even though you won't say, I would guess Whittle is a strong possibility.

BTW he has a piece on the Times website tonight about Betsy, Emma and Kathy Lemond.

 

[martinvickers]

Oh no, Martin don't turn on me.

Shall we revise you telling us Froome hadn't be back to altitude after the Tour?

Flip flopping indeed.

Lets stay on topic. It’s the Walsh thread.

Yours faithfully,

Hog.

I'm not turning on you Hog, it's not meant personally. Stand down soldier.

And I know your style well enough to know that you know sarcasm when you read it, so lets not be disingenuous about the Altitude comment; you know full well I was being facetious to make a wider clinic point, one I've made explicitly umpteen times. So let's not pretend that you have some great flip-flop in your hands when you know different.

 

[thehog]

I'm not turning on you Hog, it's not meant personally. Stand down soldier.

And I know your style well enough to know that you know sarcasm when you read it, so lets not be disingenuous about the Altitude comment; you know full well I was being facetious to make a wider clinic point, one I've made explicitly umpteen times. So let's not pretend that you have some great flip-flop in your hands when you know different.

Then just stay on topic and talk about Walsh.

Forget me. You're better than this.

Buck up solider.

Cheers.

 

[red_flanders]

I think it's clear that yes, Walsh is on the Sky bandwagon.

It's OK though. We will all get through this.

 

[elduggo]

It's also at odds with Owen Slot on about the Times writing about Froome, Porte and Motoman.

has anyone a link to this article? I looked it up before but couldn't find it.

 

[Benotti69]

Smith continued to work with him even under media pressure. Sky ditched Leinders after de Rooy's comments. If they were still working with him now, Walsh would be on their case for it.

It is possible they are still working with Leinders,

Smith became built like a Rugby League player overnight due to working with her husband. The dogs in the street could see she was doping.

Froome became famine like overnight due to Sky. The dogs in the street could see he was doping.

Kimmage said he wasn't allowed to write an article on Lance during the Tour in 2009. He was on Setanta Ireland talking about his Landis interview which was out on the Sunday. I bought the ST at the time and the piece was in the magazine section and not the paper itself. It was a huge letdown and it was watered down hugely. The one I only know he was refused an article on Sky was in relation to when he was refused to follow the team for the entire 2010 Tour.

There might be others on Sky for all I know, but it wasn't entirely on Sky that he was refused to write articles on. Remember as well that a respected football journalist in Ian Hawkey was let go at the same time in cost cutting moves.

Kimmage said on stage at the 'Whistleblowers' talk that he believes he was let go from ST as he was questioning Sky.

Kimmage and Hawkey are not in the same league.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Walsh - Money greedy

I don't think theres any doubting where Walsh's loyalties lie - MAKING MONEY.

Now in the States doing talks about Armstrong ... GOD ! how much more can he squeeze this one for. Greed and narcissism spring to mind - ironic as this was Armstrong.

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio5h
.@DavidWalshST telling the story of how he once won a staring contest with Lance pic.twitter.com/PKwEsY8x3k

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST15hSince Oct 22 last year, I've spoken about LA in many places. This evening I'm at Arizona State University which is particularly satisfying.

 

[Cyivel]

I don't think theres any doubting where Walsh's loyalties lie - MAKING MONEY.

Now in the States doing talks about Armstrong ... GOD ! how much more can he squeeze this one for. Greed and narcissism spring to mind - ironic as this was Armstrong.

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio5h
.@DavidWalshST telling the story of how he once won a staring contest with Lance pic.twitter.com/PKwEsY8x3k

I believe that was in the last 16 of the 43rd World Stareout Championship Finals.

 

[Cycle Chic]

wonder how much a ticket is to hear Walsh talking about staring at Armstrong. And are the proceeds going to Walsh ? either way Walsh is an embarrassment and I hope the americans give him some grief.

I think he's milked the Armstrong trail for long enough.

 

[Benotti69]

wonder how much a ticket is to hear Walsh talking about staring at Armstrong. And are the proceeds going to Walsh ? either way Walsh is an embarrassment and I hope the americans give him some grief.

I think he's milked the Armstrong trail for long enough.

The talk he gave in Dublin, Ireland with Kimmage was 20euro. The theatre has a 2,111 seating capacity. Was not full but close to it. Well worth it.

Walsh worked damn hard going after Armstrong so I do not begrudge him earning from it.

Rather Walsh got rich exposing a doper than a doper getting rich cheating.