Forcing riders to pay to leave the team is despicable, hell might explain why Collbrelli's move to Sky broke down a couple years ago.
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Italian teams under investigation for pay to race contracts
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Forcing riders to pay to leave the team is despicable, hell might explain why Collbrelli's move to Sky broke down a couple years ago.
Well Santomaris is riding for Skydive Dubai because he refused to pay to ride for an Italian PCT - This was stated by Santoromita in an article late last year.
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"Lesser" riders only getting a contract because they bring their own sponsor is nothing special, I've never heard any rumours about Bardiani doing the same thing, the other 2 teams, well, it's not exactly a secret.
Yeah, I've also heard similar rumours about Finetto.yaco said:
"Lesser" riders only getting a contract because they bring their own sponsor is nothing special, I've never heard any rumours about Bardiani doing the same thing, the other 2 teams, well, it's not exactly a secret.
I think it is ok for riders to bring in personal sponsors to ride like F1 but nobody should be paying to leave as there is no contracted salary
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Forcing riders to bring on their own sponsors totally violates the UCI's rulings.
It's not ok for riders to have to bring on sponsors either. Pro Continental riders also have a minimum wage (whence the "Pro" prefix) albeit slightly lower than WT riders. This was a laudable move by the UCI to protect both riders, and the standard of their product.IndianCyclist said:
Forcing riders to bring on their own sponsors totally violates the UCI's rulings.
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Source: http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/vuillermoz_looking_to_ride_tour_de_france_in_2015/
"Vuillermoz revealed to CyclingQuotes.com that he had to get help from a sponsor to get a place on AG2R after Sojasun announced they were folding and he would probably have been without a team for 2014, or at least not ridden on a team of AG2R’s quality, without the extra finance."
And yet things like that happen all the time, not only in Italy and even to pretty good riders, sometimes a team has already spend too much money and lacks the budget to sign a rider, it even happened to Vuillermoz.42x16ss said:
Source: http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/vuillermoz_looking_to_ride_tour_de_france_in_2015/
"Vuillermoz revealed to CyclingQuotes.com that he had to get help from a sponsor to get a place on AG2R after Sojasun announced they were folding and he would probably have been without a team for 2014, or at least not ridden on a team of AG2R’s quality, without the extra finance."
Has been going on for some time, i remember Kashechkin had to pay back in the Lampre days to race.
Of course. But just like F1 and its notorious pay drivers, there are different scales. Niki Lauda was a great driver who got his start thanks to personal sponsors, for an example of a pay driver who merited it. Obviously in most sports most pay-to-play types aren't going to become three time World Champions, but these are the equivalents of Alexis Vuillermoz above - a strong rider who deserved a place at the top table on merit but because of the circumstances of money and crowded teams had to bring their own sponsorship to get the position they deserved. It sucks that a guy like him was stuck in such a bind, but then it also would've sucked that a less talented rider would have got those places instead had he not got those alternative sponsorships.
There are then many other classes of rider who owe their positions to sponsors and/or contacts in much the same way. Whether they be a sop to sponsors (many of the Frenchmen brought in by Abarcá during the Caisse d'Épargne sponsorship days, for example, or the influx of Venezuelans to Savio's squad) or a way of circumventing regulations (the never-racing-in-pro-races younger riders on Portuguese teams to keep the average age down a few years ago) there are many types. There are riders whose connections to people at the team or to sponsors help them to get selections often above their station or onto the team for big races ahead of teammates with stronger credentials (Ramón Carretero and Eugert Zhupa spring to mind from Southeast, but they are far from alone and the latter at least has a few results to point to); also there's the separate class of "pay-my-way" racers who have chequered history, aren't wanted by the big teams and it's a way that they can get a foot back in the door at a decent team that might not otherwise gamble on them (Kashechkin was mentioned above, but Vandenbroucke is also a famous example).
Pay-to-play will always happen, whether openly or behind closed doors. If they've got a bit too blatant about it then it's fair enough and the teams should pay for that behaviour, but how do you think those 4958 sponsor logos wind up on Androni Giocattoli jerseys? If sponsors are paying a rider's salary and their sponsorship is contingent on that rider being on the team, then a team strapped for cash is always going to like that arrangement. When the riders coming through are the Laudas of the world it's one thing, but when they're the Jean-Denis Délétraz of the pro péloton that's when eyebrows have got to be raised.
There are then many other classes of rider who owe their positions to sponsors and/or contacts in much the same way. Whether they be a sop to sponsors (many of the Frenchmen brought in by Abarcá during the Caisse d'Épargne sponsorship days, for example, or the influx of Venezuelans to Savio's squad) or a way of circumventing regulations (the never-racing-in-pro-races younger riders on Portuguese teams to keep the average age down a few years ago) there are many types. There are riders whose connections to people at the team or to sponsors help them to get selections often above their station or onto the team for big races ahead of teammates with stronger credentials (Ramón Carretero and Eugert Zhupa spring to mind from Southeast, but they are far from alone and the latter at least has a few results to point to); also there's the separate class of "pay-my-way" racers who have chequered history, aren't wanted by the big teams and it's a way that they can get a foot back in the door at a decent team that might not otherwise gamble on them (Kashechkin was mentioned above, but Vandenbroucke is also a famous example).
Pay-to-play will always happen, whether openly or behind closed doors. If they've got a bit too blatant about it then it's fair enough and the teams should pay for that behaviour, but how do you think those 4958 sponsor logos wind up on Androni Giocattoli jerseys? If sponsors are paying a rider's salary and their sponsorship is contingent on that rider being on the team, then a team strapped for cash is always going to like that arrangement. When the riders coming through are the Laudas of the world it's one thing, but when they're the Jean-Denis Délétraz of the pro péloton that's when eyebrows have got to be raised.
Very well said. And when a promising youngster misses out due to a well connected, but inferior, rider making his Xth attempt at the big leagues it annoys me to no end.
This happens more than some realise.
This happens more than some realise.
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it's been happening for 30 years and uci never cared. it seems weird now italian federation wants to punish this. what do they want? no more italian pct teams either?42x16ss said:
probably the same prosecutors as those in vino-LBL case lol
what will they discover next? that riders pisz on people's properties?
what will they discover next? that riders pisz on people's properties?
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The federation isn't stupid enough to punish their own PC teams, but I don't if you can say the same about the CONI.
@staubsauger: Lampre used to have the smallest budget at WT for years (7.5M), they had to take a few risks and sign pretty cheap riders. They signed post-ban Kash just because he had his own sponsor, that was pretty much the only reason why a WT team would sign post-ban Kash.
It's not the italian federation, they closed the chase twice, it's Italian Olympic Committee.Ryo Hazuki said:
The federation isn't stupid enough to punish their own PC teams, but I don't if you can say the same about the CONI.
@staubsauger: Lampre used to have the smallest budget at WT for years (7.5M), they had to take a few risks and sign pretty cheap riders. They signed post-ban Kash just because he had his own sponsor, that was pretty much the only reason why a WT team would sign post-ban Kash.
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