Itzulia Basque Country 2024, April 1-6

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After watching the footage from every angle available, this has got to be the most bizzare series of crashes I have ever seen.

1. Roglic had his backwheel slip in the bend.

2. Remco made it past the bend and had a good line when suddenly the Trek rider behind him had a backwheel slip and nudges Remco as he was falling, causing Remco to deviate into the woods.

3. Vingegaard came in with speed together with a bunch of riders almost covering the width of the road leaving him suboptimal outside lines to pick from, he tried to corner, hesitated, and rode into the road sign post which caused him to fall off the bike ending up next to the concrete roadside drain.

That corner looked very deceptive from the overhead shots, no rider mentioned anything about the road surface in the descent being slippery.
 
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Why do you think riders rarely rode off cliffs and died back when they descended mountain passes on gravel roads?
Because they pushed themselves too far? Which is why organizers decided to not use those roads anymore. Which is my complete point. Riders will always push themselves too far if they think they can. Thus save them from themselves by using warning signals (as an example).
 
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Because they pushed themselves too far? Which is why organizers decided to not use those roads anymore. Which is my complete point. Riders will always push themselves too far if they think they can. Thus save them from themselves by using warning signals (as an example).

Eh, what...

The reason they rarely crashed into ravines and died was because they pushed themselves too far?
 
Nobody knew this company? Apparently Flanders Classics do. Quite a big organizer in the cycling world. As on organizer you have the obligation to create a save environment. You can't expect this from the riders themselves, because they will push themselves to the edge, and thus go over it. This is basic human behaviour.
as I brought up above, that company still has a business interest, though. So just don't take everything as facts.

They had a meeting with some riders in December, so it's possible that Vingegaard brought up some complaints indeed. But how did he know about this exact descent back then, when the route was only presented at the end of January? And when did he do the recon of it? Those things just don't fit.
 
Soon this thread will revert to being about the 2024 Itzulia and today's stage. Skjelmose, McNulty, Ayuso and others are in the hunt for a prestigious WT stage race win, and we have an abiding interest in that. It's not the most important things in the world, but as cycling fans we invest a lot of time and interest in something that is not the most important thing in the world.

So do people want pieces of the discussion over the last 20 hours or so to sit deep within this thread and shrivel forgotten, or would you like me to go through and extract comments for further discussion elsewhere (I am imagining some being added to the "How do we prevent crashes" thread, and a new one about lingering coverage of accident aftermath)?
 
First of all, wish a speedy recovery to all riders that crashed yesterday.

Second, despite the circumstances happy to see Meintjes winning the stage.

Third, hope that the race becomes less nervous now and that we have a nice GC battle in the last two stages. Skjelmose is in the hot seat but it will be a big test for him to see if he can fend off the riders close to him, especially the UAE ones.
 
Soon this thread will revert to being about the 2024 Itzulia and today's stage. Skjelmose, McNulty, Ayuso and others are in the hunt for a prestigious WT stage race win, and we have an abiding interest in that. It's not the most important things in the world, but as cycling fans we invest a lot of time and interest in something that is not the most important thing in the world.

So do people want pieces of the discussion over the last 20 hours or so to sit deep within this thread and shrivel forgotten, or would you like me to go through and extract comments for further discussion elsewhere (I am imagining some being added to the "How do we prevent crashes" thread, and a new one about lingering coverage of accident aftermath)?
Linger and shrivel
 
Third, hope that the race becomes less nervous now and that we have a nice GC battle in the last two stages. Skjelmose is in the hot seat but it will be a big test for him to see if he can fend off the riders close to him, especially the UAE ones.

Hard to see beyond Skjelmose and UAE
The Baque riders of Bilbao, Landa and Izagirre would maybe put up a fight and Hindley as well but parcours are not hard enough I think
 
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Soon this thread will revert to being about the 2024 Itzulia and today's stage. Skjelmose, McNulty, Ayuso and others are in the hunt for a prestigious WT stage race win, and we have an abiding interest in that. It's not the most important things in the world, but as cycling fans we invest a lot of time and interest in something that is not the most important thing in the world.

So do people want pieces of the discussion over the last 20 hours or so to sit deep within this thread and shrivel forgotten, or would you like me to go through and extract comments for further discussion elsewhere (I am imagining some being added to the "How do we prevent crashes" thread, and a new one about lingering coverage of accident aftermath)?
I think your imagination parentheses suggestion sounds good!
 
Soon this thread will revert to being about the 2024 Itzulia and today's stage. Skjelmose, McNulty, Ayuso and others are in the hunt for a prestigious WT stage race win, and we have an abiding interest in that. It's not the most important things in the world, but as cycling fans we invest a lot of time and interest in something that is not the most important thing in the world.

So do people want pieces of the discussion over the last 20 hours or so to sit deep within this thread and shrivel forgotten, or would you like me to go through and extract comments for further discussion elsewhere (I am imagining some being added to the "How do we prevent crashes" thread, and a new one about lingering coverage of accident aftermath)?

I think so yes, its good to have major incidents like this properly archived so in years we can look back on how silly we sounded, or in my case how my views were no doubt triumphantly vindicated and I can receive my much deserved plaudits.
 
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