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Jaksche says 2009 Tour winner will be a doper

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Alpe d'Huez said:
Did anyone here actually read the article? Or know what his background is?

Let's take a look at the big picture here. After Jorg tested positive he confessed, eventually spilling his guts and told just about everything about the dirty ways of cycling as he saw it. As a reward he was ostracized from the sport as a pariah. Even after his suspension no other team would sign him, even on a Continental level, and no other rider will support him.

Jorg

I know things about Jorg that no one knows. Unfortunately can't print them here. Very intelligent guy. Wasted his time cycling. Should have been a doctor or an eye specialist like his father. He is talented at everything he does. Financially astute as well. Has loads of money. But a little hint at what I do know. Before he confessed he went and saw someone at the UCI and told them his story. He was told in no uncertain terms not to tell his story and was threatened if he did he would never ride again. It came true - he never rode again. That also happened to another cyclist from the Puerto affair. He never rode again either. Jorg is doing is very well for himself and we don't need to worry about him. Doing much better than some cyclists who haven't confessed or recently made comebacks.
 
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I don't know what to think...

WBT? You have been a complete jerk to me over the past month or so, then come on here and give "I know stuff I can't tell you" posts that are seem very sincere and informative. For the record, I hope you are right about Jorg. But please forgive me if I have a real hard time "trusting" your input here.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Did anyone here actually read the article? Or know what his background is?

Let's take a look at the big picture here. After Jorg tested positive he confessed, eventually spilling his guts and told just about everything about the dirty ways of cycling as he saw it. As a reward he was ostracized from the sport as a pariah. Even after his suspension no other team would sign him, even on a Continental level, and no other rider will support him.

Jorg didn't just come out of the woodwork, hold a press conference, and say "a doper will win". He was approached by Tagesspiegel am Sonntag, and gave his answer. CN ran with that story. The only thing possibly "tabloid" about it is the headline. It's not like CN tracked him down for an exclusive interview, had a few hours of his time and this is all they asked.

In this situation, what would you have them do?

Following the links on the first article will send you to here: His full detailed confession. If the UCI (or other governing bodies) didn't want to work with him, how is that his fault?

I did read the article, plus the one you linked, and the google translated version of the article Susan referenced. (whew)

I saw the article under Susan's name and didn't recognize that she was referencing someone else's reporting.

I should have.

Still, there's nothing newer than 2007 information in her article and nothing but his opinion on this years tour.

I just don't see the purpose of dragging up the past, which is what his opinion appears to be relying on. I seriously doubt he has any current inside information.

And if he does? Spill it! He doesn't appear to have anything left to lose. That would be a story!!

The Tagesspiegel article in google translator is a hard read but good if you want a graphic rehash of past events.

PS... you are right Susan... it is Ricco... that's my second major foul up today.. I need to go take a ride and get a nap i think. :eek:
 
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jackhammer111 said:
PS... you are right Susan... it is Ricco... that's my second major foul up today.. I need to go take a ride and get a nap i think. :eek:

Thought so :)

So, you're saying that Riccò broke the Omerta. He said he did it all alone, that nobody helped him, that it was only once and he never did it before.

Do you think this is breaking the Omerta?
 
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Susan Westemeyer said:
And ignoring the problem will make it go away?
Susan

I questioned the wording of your article as well. When you say "[d]isgraced former pro" you leave the reader with the suggestion that anything he says should be dismissed. That both he and Kohl have been banished from cycling speaks strongly towards the omerta (sp???) of the pro pelaton.

Jaksche is disgraced because he doped, BUT not because he is speaking out.
 
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Hurrah Susan.

And let me add Ms Westemeyer, how great it is that you, the bylined writer, are so willing to interact with the unwashed reader, us rubes.

:)Golf clap for Susan!:)
 
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I questioned the wording of your article as well. When you say "[d]isgraced former pro" you leave the reader with the suggestion that anything he says should be dismissed. That both he and Kohl have been banished from cycling speaks strongly towards the omerta (sp???) of the pro pelaton.

Jaksche is disgraced because he doped, BUT not because he is speaking out.

kohl bannished himself.


Yes, not because he's speaking. or spoke really. he has nothing new to say.
 
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Why can't they all be given a full i gallon blood transfusion ( UCI / ASO ) approved before the start - all levels recorded and any changes monitored during the event ?
 
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PRicco getting a contract makes me sick.

Hey BigBoat, do you think Vandevelde will finish inside the top 10? Curious about your opinion as the guy seems pretty genuine.
 
jackhammer111 said:
Some around here say they are tired of talking about doping.

Appearently CN is not.

I know susan comes on here so I hope she's not to upset when I say I think that was lazy journalism and a cheap headline. It's almost tabloid.

It's no wonder he can't get hired if he has such an attitude. It's like he's admitting he can't ride clean because he still claims the field is dirty. It's almost an admission that he'd dope again.

If this guy actually knows something, like how they will do it and how to catch them he should say it. Otherwise STFU.

"Disgraced former pro says sport lends itself to doping"

Who cares?

If this guy actually knows something, like how they will do it and how to catch them he should say it. Otherwise STFU.

Now, was he talking to himself ?
 
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If I were a team boss I would have signed Jaksche up (and I wouldn't insult him by offering minimal wages), for not only speaking out but to try and discourage the younger riders from doping. And I would of told any riders who wouldn't treat him with respect and ride with him that the door is that way (*points straight ahead*) and I'm not forcing them to stay against their will. They would have STFU and changed their tune, because ATM there are more cyclists looking for a team then there are teams for them.
 
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read the complete interviews of Jaksche & Kohl ?

are you talking about the kohl interview he's suing L'Equipe for?

actually i'd read it but i'm having trouble navigating L'Equipe's site. all i get is a couple of hundred words per article and i'm trying to read it in google translator. I have read the parts of it referenced in English articles but I don't think it was the whole thing.

do you have a link to it?

I just saw the L'Equipe head line about Chris Horner, the banner said "L'amertume d'Horner" which means "the bitterness of Horner. sheesh!! he expressed no bitterness that i read.

i did read the as much of the Jaksche article in Tagesspiegel as i could make out in google translator.

I wish I could find a good translation of it. He appeared at one point to be saying the effects of doping aren't as great as most people think.

Hold on to your hat big boat :eek: , I'll try to find it an post it in this thread.
 
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I don't see what the issue is. What Jaksche said backs up what Kohl said before he tried to weasel out of what he said. It is important news.

It was important news in 2007.

No news today. Unless you think his opinion is news.
 
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issoisso said:
Do you think this is breaking the Omerta?

Doesn't matter who breaks it or how it's broken. Omerta, by its nature is self-healing. There are as many practitioners of Omerta as there are cyclists who dope and "doctors" who supply the goods.

Which is the stronger group? Pros/former pros who dope(d) and practice Omerta or former pros no longer associated with cycling who speak out?

Does cycling really want to rid itself of doping? Does it look like it does?
 
jackhammer111 said:
do you have a link to it?

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Kohl see
http://interview.cyclingfever.com/index.html?_p=rider&id=323&country=10

for Jaksche
http://interview.cyclingfever.com/index.html?_p=rider&id=146&country=1

try Google spanish for l'Equipe interview.....

Unfortunately, some links to earlier interviews no longer exist, such as the
Jaksche one from sport1.de, "Markus Fothen hat mich enttäuscht", Fothen being the latest interview posted here
http://interview.cyclingfever.com/
 
BigBoat said:
Isnt JJ just saying whats already on every cycling fan's mind?
Those with a progressive mind, who've been around a while.

biker77 said:
Hey BigBoat, do you think Vandevelde will finish inside the top 10? Curious about your opinion as the guy seems pretty genuine.
He does? I think you're confusing "friendly" with "clean". No worries, I made the same err in judgment with many riders in the past. Now days...see first comment above.

are you talking about the kohl interview he's suing L'Equipe for?
Kohl can backtrack and sue L'Equipe all he wants to save his skin, but they can't take away the stinging ring of truth his words had. Whether you want to believe it or not.

Word is he's now cooperating with the UCI. What do you suppose he's telling them? "I didn't really dope much, just did a few things all by myself with no help from others, and I'll give a press conference saying so"?