Yes.Yes. We must understandably suspect top riders. I'm curious though, how much faster up the final climb was he than Gaudu? It might have been a minute at most. Or am I messing up and Gaudu had caught back up with the leaders by the foot of the final climb? I blame adverts for not knowing.
Cheers. That does remove any obstacle for suspicion. Sure, the opponents on the final climb were either not superstar climbers OR were having awful days (Pog, Rog & Mas) but Vingegaard was so much faster than solid 5-10 placed GC performers that it is only reasonable to think something is afoot.Yes.
He'll need to change teams at the end of the year & say goodbye to his old friends. Thus is life. Either that or he becomes a bottle carrier for the Danish musical bikes mutant if he wants to go to the TdF next year. No more co-leadership if Vinge wins the TdF, it would be impossible. I think Roglic needs (& deserves) a little team for himself like Quintana has & should be allowed to enjoy going to the TdF as an outsider with his own freedom.At last. The thread is one year too late. This wasn’t a handful of seconds it was a demolition on the hardest climb used in the Tour for years.
Poor Roglic it seems he’ll never win a tour now after the crushing disappointment of 2020.
Jumbo Visma just got their revenge for La Planche des Belles Filles 2020. They analysed what went wrong a got themselves a younger super responder to fight Pogacar
I don't know. I think the whole co-captain strategy was to defeat Pogacar. That's done now. I consider (without accident or Covid) this TdF effectively over. Vingegaard will do what all previous strongest riders have always done in the Tour (at least in recent history): win. Jumbo probably also knew he was stronger than anyone else in the race as well (or at least had their suspicions). I now also consider the Dauphiné to be a giant pisstake from Jumbo, i.e. holding Jonas back for maximum effect here in the TdF.Jumbo is the best team for the watts, so Rogla will stay and will also be a co-captain next year.
It's also a matter of when you start eating the big boy breakfast.It’s not the performance so much as what he showed before arriving out of nowhere in 2021. Look at the relative records of Pogacar and this guy. Pogacar had big results since an 18 year old. Then let’s not forget Vingegaard is nearly two years older. This is much more obvious than Chicken in 2007. I tend to agree with Rackham’s assessment…..
Oh yes, G was the real mutant of the day, today!Best ride today was Geraint Thomas. Not bad for an old dude. But sad that I have to come to the Clinic to speak freely about what we saw today.
But this place seems quiet? in the old days it would have gone into meltdown after a performance like today.
Well I think last year’s TdF is when this thread should have been started. He hadn’t done much before then.Jonas is coming of age--now has his own Clinic thread! Today's win (stage 11) was an eye-opener but not a Froome-out-of-nowhere level surprise. Vinegar was clearly the 2nd best rider at the TDF last year (after Roglic crashed out), and was the only rider at that Tour to come close to unseating Pogi on a mountain climb (even if it was for just a short time). -- Not denying today was H-bomb level stuff, though.
It's so obvious it's almost funny. This is an arms race & UAE just got wrecked in a game they escalated themselves (today's Jonas performance is the net result of those facial expressions in the Jumbo team car on La Planche 2020). Vingegaard is going to be a problem for Pogi going forward as well, due to his lighter weight power ratio watts whatever & by far stronger team.Yep. He’s on the sauce.