Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

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From the Danish archives - 2019-2020 - interviews with Vingegaard before he rode the 2020 Vuelta:

August 22nd, 2019 after finishing 7th in the ITT in PostNord Danmark Rundt, 19 seconds after the winner: "I'm satisfied. I think I rode a good time trial. Started aggressively and had a hard time keeping that up, but overall I'm quite happy as it's a big improvement compared to how I've previously performed in time trials. I had a hard time keeping my watts because of the wind resistance, but that's something I'll work on."

September 15th, 2019 about Roglic: "He's unique. He's insanely good. When we ride intervals, he's just better than everyone else. He takes off, and the rest of us don't stand a chance."

February 27th, 2020 about the coming Danish National Championship and the season with JumboVisma: "I don't know if I'm amongst the favorites for the Danish Championship, we'll have to see on the day. I feel stronger than last year, but my ambition is to learn a lot from the captains in the team and become a really good rider in the future. I think I'll be a a domestique in Tour of the Basque Country. As it looks at the moment, I won't be riding a Grand Tour this year, but I hope I'll get the chance."

August 23rd, 2020 after the Danish National Championships (Vingegaard finished 31st on the 198,9 km route - the winner was Kasper Asgreen): "It was a tough race - at the end I had nothing left in the tank. I was involved in a lot of moves in the race, but in the end I ran out of energy."

7th in the PostDanmark time trial 2019
Impossible to keep up with Roglic - he's unique
Maybe I'll be a domestique in Tour of the Basque Country
31st in the Danish National Championships - nothing left in the tank
 
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Red line is my guy getting beaten. All the ridiculous *** he did the entire year was completely onside.

There's 2 uber mutants riding around, one of which has a bad preperation, but it's the difference between the two that pisses people off?
The other uber mutant has his own clinic thread that was about 4 times as long as this one up until the last couple weeks (now just 60% longer). Another laurel that Vingo seems destined to poach from Fallout Boy.
 
So you are buddies with him and you are intimately aware of how he acts off a camera? You are the mighty defender of the ToddyPog.

UAE does not manage how their riders act in front of the camera? Right ...

Anywho, I would not argue that Jizma are believable (nor UAE). I guess different spin machines have a different impact on different fans.

It really comes down to what people find more offensive, i.e. the team who doped a 20 year old to win the Tour de France in the final ITT in 2020 (without any decent teammates of his own, for what it's worth, i.e. he rode on Jumbo's coattails for 3 weeks), or the team who got beaten in that Tour who decided they needed their own super doper & miraculously produced a 25 year old from their in-house conveyor belt & he went even faster than the aforementioned 20 year old doper who beat them previously.

I mean it's like "sh*t, we were robbed... okay then, let's organize an even bigger heist, that'll teach the b*stards!".

Meanwhile, the Tour gets totally trampled upon.
 
It really comes down to what people find more offensive, i.e. the team who doped a 20 year old to win the Tour de France in the final ITT in 2020 (without any decent teammates of his own, for what it's worth, i.e. he rode on Jumbo's coattails for 3 weeks), or the team who got beaten in that Tour who decided they needed their own super doper & miraculously produced a 25 year old from their in-house conveyor belt & he went even faster than the aforementioned 20 year old doper who beat them previously.

I mean it's like "sh*t, we were robbed... okay then, let's organize an even bigger heist, that'll teach the b*stards!".

Meanwhile, the Tour gets totally trampled upon.
Tour de France remains the biggest, hardest and dirtiest race there is. Anything goes here. Go big or go home.

They should let me write the description for the Netflix doc.
 
Jumbo is starting to lose the plot - https://www.ouest-france.fr/tour-de...t-madiot-229ad792-27f3-11ee-a0ad-0eea9464400c

In an interview with L'Equipe, Jumbo-Visma team boss Richard Plugge lashed out at the Groupama-FDJ riders, without mentioning them by name. In response to the scepticism surrounding the performance of Jonas Vingegaard, the Tour's yellow jersey, he spoke of the rigorous preparation and professionalism of his team-mates. And he compared himself to others.

He said: "We also look around us at what others are doing. For example, we were with a French team at our hotel during the rest day (it was the Groupama-FDJ team, staying in Saint-Gervais with them). We saw the riders drinking big beers. Alcohol is poison, and especially when you're already tired, you're going to be even more so. None of us drank alcohol, because it breaks you down. And even non-racers shouldn't drink it.

Ouest-France spoke to Marc Madiot on Friday evening after stage 19 of the Tour de France. "It's all nonsense. We had a drink, yes, like every rest day, but only the staff. It's a tradition on every rest day. But the riders were drinking Perrier.

The Groupama-FDJ manager added: "It's pathetic, pitiful! Let him mind his own business, it's none of his business. Does he think we don't train or what? That they're the only ones paying attention, working hard? In any case, I'm not going to look at what he's got in his bowl to see what his riders are taking.
 
...and it's most stupidest thing.

I see what you did there.

Speaking of Rogla, Plugge ventured into some funky twilight zone miscommunication in his L'Equipe interview (i.e. the one quoted above re Madiot & FDJ beergate drama):

View: https://twitter.com/RenaudB31/status/1682431584148897792


i.e. Vingegaard is such a good boy, he doesn't even use ketones!

I mean guess what? Roglič does! So it seems sort of weird to me for Plugge to use Vingegaard's 'no ketones' choice as a positive point in his 'cleanz credentials' when some of Jumbo's other riders do take them.
 
It really comes down to what people find more offensive, i.e. the team who doped a 20 year old to win the Tour de France in the final ITT in 2020 (without any decent teammates of his own, for what it's worth, i.e. he rode on Jumbo's coattails for 3 weeks), or the team who got beaten in that Tour who decided they needed their own super doper & miraculously produced a 25 year old from their in-house conveyor belt & he went even faster than the aforementioned 20 year old doper who beat them previously.

I mean it's like "sh*t, we were robbed... okay then, let's organize an even bigger heist, that'll teach the b*stards!".

Meanwhile, the Tour gets totally trampled upon.
Why not just use Roglic as this new Tour winning Duracell bunny? Or rather, someone Dutch, because their ultimate dream is not having a Dane win the Tour, I can tell you that.

edit: oh, I already know, because you believe they hate Roglic.
 
I see what you did there.

Speaking of Rogla, Plugge ventured into some funky twilight zone miscommunication in his L'Equipe interview (i.e. the one quoted above re Madiot & FDJ beergate drama):

View: https://twitter.com/RenaudB31/status/1682431584148897792


i.e. Vingegaard is such a good boy, he doesn't even use ketones!

I mean guess what? Roglič does! So it seems sort of weird to me for Plugge to use Vingegaard's 'no ketones' choice as a positive point in his 'cleanz credentials' when some of Jumbo's other riders do take them.
Insane.

I hope there is someone out there building a dossier of these things. They are just telling on themselves on with these sort of stuff.

I am saying it aint too complicated. It aint no "secret sauce". It aint no fairytale lab. Just the same old blood doping. Most effective still by the look of things.

These guys are just well-organized. Well-structured. Still human though by being dumb/stupid, as humans usually are.
 
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That whole article is hilarious, it reads like a parody, Plugge is a known moron unfortunately, for an ex-journalist his communication skills are lacking, I believe he was in part to blame for that whole Wright/Roglic fiasco.
He was a terrible journalist as well, actually always very critical of (then) Rabobank. He could have been a poster on this forum. I believe he was hired as a comms director with the idea of "better have them from the inside pissing out than from the outside pissing in". But then the whole thing collapsed and he was pretty much handed the keys of the castle.

He's (apparently) quite good at managing a cycling team though. It's just his communication skills that are absolutely dreadful. It would be better if he'd just keep his mouth shut. But that's a common ailment among team managers in cycling.
 
So you are buddies with him and you are intimately aware of how he acts off a camera? You are the mighty defender of the ToddyPog.

UAE does not manage how their riders act in front of the camera? Right ...

Anywho, I would not argue that Jizma are believable (nor UAE). I guess different spin machines have a different impact on different fans.
so you admit, you have no clue, that explains most of your posts here; and yes i do know Pog or at least did know him when he was younger and YES he is exactly the same with no cameras around, so please stick to commenting about your favorite topic (his doping) and stay out of the personal stuff