Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

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ppanther92

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Tim Cahill said:
Best raid the Bahrain hotel again just to make sure, you know keep everyone honest, can't have anymore eastern european guys winning mountain stages in 1 week races.
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To be honest - OT here but I really think this was the most effective anti-doping measure in years. The Bahrain guys were flying 2021 and H1 2022 and ever since they climb like *** in larger races. Whole team.

So yes, maybe we need a Jumbo raid. Maybe, to keep it fair, an all team raid. Just apply a bit of pressure.
 
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ontheroad

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Red Rick said:
Obviously this is the most ridiculous ITT performance this century.

However, do think there's a few factors that make the result less ridiculous than it is.

1. Pogacar and Vingegaard holding hands a bit the previous 3 mountain stages, making the gap to the rest in general look less big than it is.
2. Pogacar doing a bike change - IMO that's an obvious mistake. The steep part of the climb was Pogs worst split
3. Vingegaard cornering and descending like an absolute maniac. I wouldn't be surprised if the bike change and the cornering alone account for 30 seconds
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But there are a lot more than 2 riders in the race. Pogacars performance on its own would merit full scrutiny but given that the gap to the third place rider was 2:51 over just 22km makes it much more ridiculous than you are trying to claim. Its unprecedented and no amount of downplaying it will make it any less so, the clock doesn't lie.

The previous climbing performances from the 2 riders in question were ridiculous on their own merits as the climbing speeds will testify. Today just made a complete mockery of the sport.
 
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Vinegaard was either was riding an e bike, or he cut off part of the course. I refuse to believe he did this just by doping. Doesn't make sense. Pogi's performance today barely makes sense. What was the average speed on the flat? Was the road wet when WvA did his ride? And it dried up later? WvA was obviously giving it all to try to win this stage. Did he do way worse than his usual performance? Please show me some evidence, because of WvA was doing his normal pace, then this is 3x as insane s the 2020 TT, where I already thought Pogi was using an electric motor.
 
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Tim Cahill

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ppanther92 said:
To be honest - OT here but I really think this was the most effective anti-doping measure in years. The Bahrain guys were flying 2021 and H1 2022 and ever since they climb like *** in larger races. Whole team.

So yes, maybe we need a Jumbo raid. Maybe, to keep it fair, an all team raid. Just apply a bit of pressure.
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I do think the second one worked yes, they were nowhere in 2022 tour.
First one they came out in the tour and vuelta flying though, moho/haig especially, think the nature of the raids was a bit different.
 
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Yea, there are two pretty extreme outliers here, but Pog smiles a lot more so I like him better

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