Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[pastronef]

Oh $hit!!! Tour is over. We have to wait if he can make it to the Vuelta and hope for a great recovery without long term limitations to his career

Tour at 100% form is over. maybe he might ride it to get racing miles and form for the Vuelta

 

[Elos Anjos]

Oh $hit!!! Tour is over. We have to wait if he can make it to the Vuelta and hope for a great recovery without long term limitations to his career

Why? Do you have medical expertise or in depth knowledge about elite athletes recovering?

 

[Volderke]

Not sure if it's over, but these are very much undesired complications of what was already a bad medical bulletin after the crash.

 

[Didinho]

When he was laying there 10min+ with oxygen mask you could know it wasn’t only his collarbone and ribs.

Damn cycling can’t get a break.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not sure if it's over, but these are very much undesired complications of what was already a bad medical bulletin after the crash.

It's over. Obviously for the level he would need to have to beat his rivals.

 

[Rackham]

Why? Do you have medical expertise or in depth knowledge about elite athletes recovering?

I think saying "the tour is over" is probably a much safer assumption & line of reasoning than the contrary tbh.

I realize a lot of people want him back at his best as soon as possible but people need to be realistic. It's a bad crash & those are bad injuries.

He needs time & patience from fans.

 

[glassmoon]

jeez the level of ignorance and denial in this thread is too damn high... there is 100% no Tour for Jonas this year. just accept it and move on. He can still be competitive at Vuelta though.

 

[Elos Anjos]

jeez the level of ignorance and denial in this thread is too damn high... there is 100% no Tour for Jonas this year. just accept it and move on. He can still be competitive at Vuelta though.

Get a grip. Asking questions is suspension of disbelief until evidence is presented by users.

 

[Boehmand]

I've had broken ribs, they didn't impact my breathing.

Until you had bend over to sit on a bike that is

 

[Gargamel35]

Any hyperbolic statements like "Tour is over!" or "No problem, plenty of time for Tour!" is plain stupid right now.

 

[DNP-Old]

Any hyperbolic statements like "Tour is over!" or "No problem, plenty of time for Tour!" is plain stupid right now.

It is the disease of our time, where everyone turns into a medical scientist the very second an injury report hits the web. This is a cycling equivalent of all the virologists and experts that spawned out of nowhere during the pandemic.

 

[Boehmand]

Jonas also had a pulmonary contusion and pneumothorax, after further examinations.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776175761776337183

View: https://twitter.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1776175761776337183

A damaged lung is a real potential problem, also long term, because if it doesn't heal perfectly it can result in scar tissue, which will result in the lung performing suboptimally in future (especially in terms of oxygen uptake).

For someone who's competitive advantage is very much based on a higher oxygen uptake, especially in thin air, that is a very scary prospect.

It is in no way a given though, if it heals perfectly he should be fine - so fingers crossed.

 

[iBanesto]

Not sure if it's over, but these are very much undesired complications of what was already a bad medical bulletin after the crash.

Honestly the TdF is over for Vingegaard to win it.

I wanted to see Pogacar v Vingegaard IV.

 

[bNator]

jeez the level of ignorance and denial in this thread is too damn high... there is 100% no Tour for Jonas this year. just accept it and move on. He can still be competitive at Vuelta though.

As others already mentioned. You wonder at ignorance yet in claiming there's 100% no tour for him (while supposedly being completely fine for the Vuelta), you are proving to be quite ignorant yourself.

 

[Peyroteo94]

As others already mentioned. You wonder at ignorance yet in claiming there's 100% no tour for him (while supposedly being completely fine for the Vuelta), you are proving to be quite ignorant yourself.

There are 7 weeks between the beginning of the Tour and the beginning of the vuelta. It is not that ignorant.

 

[bNator]

There are 7 weeks between the beginning of the Tour and the beginning of the vuelta. It is not that ignorant.

It's not about how many weeks is in between. It's about claiming to know something like that (no tour) 100% and at the same time calling other ignorants.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Why? Do you have medical expertise or in depth knowledge about elite athletes recovering?

He’s going to be in the hospital for at least a week due to needing a chest tube to remove the air from the pneumothorax. After that it’s hard to say. On other patient that aren’t as fit or active as Vinge, they’d have the tube 2-7 days. Then if they want to keep him for monitoring some more days. I can definitely see him taking awhile before strenuous training due to the fractures and lung issues. Both those lung conditions will make it harder to breathe and exert himself. Plus the chest tube is painful with any movement and gets worse the better he gets till it’s removed, then you have to add in the pain that stays once removed.

 

[Elos Anjos]

He’s going to be in the hospital for at least a week due to needing a chest tube to remove the air from the pneumothorax. After that it’s hard to say. On other patient that aren’t as fit or active as Vinge, they’d have the tube 2-7 days. Then if they want to keep him for monitoring some more days. I can definitely see him taking awhile before strenuous training due to the fractures and lung issues. Both those lung conditions will make it harder to breathe and exert himself. Plus the chest tube is painful with any movement and gets worse the better he gets till it’s removed, then you have to add in the pain that stays once removed.

I had the idea you were a physician, so I appreciate the thorough explanation. These crashes and their recovery periods are prone to be used and abused by fans with little or no evidence.

 

[Extinction]

If I'm not mistaken

I had the idea you were a physician, so I appreciate the thorough explanation. These crashes and their recovery periods are prone to be used and abused by fans with little or no evidence.

, Shadow works in a hospital, but I think more in nurse capacity. I could be wrong, however.

 

[topcat]

If I'm not mistaken

, Shadow works in a hospital, but I think more in nurse capacity. I could be wrong, however.

View: https://youtu.be/p_Qd_R1HwAA?si=LWjLbwe2WKcpkk80

 

[SHAD0W93]

I had the idea you were a physician, so I appreciate the thorough explanation. These crashes and their recovery periods are prone to be used and abused by fans with little or no evidence.

If I'm not mistaken

, Shadow works in a hospital, but I think more in nurse capacity. I could be wrong, however.

I’m a RN so no diagnosing or as knowledgeable as a doctor but have seen plenty of stuff that comes up in the sport unfortunately. I’ll get my masters some day but don’t know if I want to do education or nurse practitioner which is like a physicians assistant.

 

[Extinction]

I’m a RN so no diagnosing or as knowledgeable as a doctor but have seen plenty of stuff that comes up in the sport unfortunately. I’ll get my masters some day but don’t know if I want to do education or nurse practitioner which is like a physicians assistant.

Well then, good luck with your professional development.

 

[iBanesto]

People blamed Pogacar's wrist fracture as one of the main causes of his downfall last year in the TdF. The guy still finished 2nd.

Vingegaard's injuries are 100 fold worse... yes there is more time to the TdF or Vuelta... but it is not looking good.

 

[Boehmand]

People blamed Pogacar's wrist fracture as one of the main causes of his downfall last year in the TdF. The guy still finished 2nd.

Vingegaard's injuries are 100 fold worse... yes there is more time to the TdF or Vuelta... but it is not looking good.

However Pogacar had 38 days for recovery, while Vingegaard has 86 days, so that is quite a significant difference to consider in this debate.

EDIT: Should have said 69 days, I missed a month.

 

[Ricco']

However Pogacar had 38 days for recovery, while Vingegaard has 86 days, so that is quite a significant difference to consider in this debate.

Pogacar had 69 days, as he crashed on Liege Bastogne Liege (23/04/2023)