Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Cycling111]

Richard Plugge, the head of Visma, wants to convince me that One Cycling is the best thing for cycling. He says one of the reasons is that One Cycling will encourage the world's best cyclists to compete more against each other.
Meanwhile, he has his best cyclist stalled until the Dauphiné.

With this contradiction, how can he convince me to accept the idea of OC?

 

[Mlarsen]

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[Netserk]

Rog will be at 33 race days at the start of the TdF. In fact the whole reason he only has 12 so far is because he's riding the Giro.

And Vingegaard will ride Dauphiné, Tour and Vuelta. He has a very normal amount of race days, he just had a crash that removed half of those in spring. It was no different to what he planned the past two years.

 

[Berniece]

Evenepoel has 3.

Lol , great comparison. You probably just added it to complete the list, but it could come with a note

 

[Netserk]

Lol , great comparison. You probably just added it to complete the list, but it could come with a note

Like Vingegaard's number also should have a note?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Good man, I’d rather none of these guys turned up until June myself

Count race days at the end of the season

 

[Red Rick]

Lol , great comparison. You probably just added it to complete the list, but it could come with a note

It does.

But I also think Evenepoel could have likely raced sooner, but he didn't because there's no point in racing before you're at a high level or racing races where you're just there to show up.

I think it is as simple as Visma did not believe there were any races with the narrow criteria they look for for Vingegaard in this calendar spot. They don't believe he could challenge in the Ardennes or that Romandie has any benefit for the Tour.

This is the same team that had Roglic not even racing between Itzulia and the Tour in 2021.

 

[Rackham]

This is the same team that had Roglic not even racing between Itzulia and the Tour in 2021.

He raced the Ardennes (Amstel, Flèche and Liège) actually after Itzulia and then took a two month racing break before the Tour.

But the point is still interesting because considering the disaster on stage 3 (aka Colbrelli going full WWC on Rogla), it's been theorized by many that a lack of race fitness might have exacerbated the problem.

Rog never repeated that sort of approach either afterwards (even going so far as racing Burgos before the 2023 Vuelta for example after his Giro win).

 

[Froome]

I am also disappointed for the fact he could any a little be more of racing now, but now is almost sure he will race the Tour + Vuelta.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Vingegaard has 9 race days so far.

Pogacar has 13
Roglic has 12
Van Aert has 14
Van der Poel has 12.
Evenepoel has 3.

And this is relevant in which context?

He's has been prevented due to aftermaths of a severe concussion and it's only been a few hours since we've been delivered some factual updates from the horse's own mouth.

Or do you perhaps even think that a concussion is just an excuse for not taking race days?
Like Itzulia was just an excuse?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Maybe it's a question of salary. Pogi earns the most so he races the most ... Only fair.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Maybe it's a question of salary. Pogi earns the most so he races the most ... Only fair.

So Froome doesn't actually get paid at al?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I am also disappointed for the fact he could any a little be more of racing now, but now is almost sure he will race the Tour + Vuelta.

This could just as well mean he won't be racing after the Tour either. We'll see.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Maybe it's a question of salary. Pogi earns the most so he races the most ... Only fair.

Poor Remco.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Tbf, who actually wants to race Romandie with typical Romandie weather?

 

[Red Rick]

Tbf, who actually wants to race Romandie with typical Romandie weather?

"Do you want to race Romandie" is the actual concussion protocol

 

[Mayomaniac]

"Do you want to race Romandie" is the actual concussion protocol

"If you ain't a Spilak/Quintana/Pogacar level or Rain specialist the answer is no."

 

[Netserk]

And this is relevant in which context?

He's has been prevented due to aftermaths of a severe concussion and it's only been a few hours since we've been delivered some factual updates from the horse's own mouth.

Or do you perhaps even think that a concussion is just an excuse for not taking race days?
Like Itzulia was just an excuse?

I think the meaning was the opposite of what you took from it. He rather shows that despite the concussion, the number of race days is not that much lower than the other stars.

 

[Brullnux]

The plan was basically the same as 2023, and his March was difficult, both with regards to form and crashes, so it disrupted the plan. I wouldn't read much into him skipping Romandie; it doesn't fit his previous plans, and would likely be more harmful than beneficial.

 

[Offline]

Visma should not be allowed having world-class riders like Vingegaard and Van Art. What’s the point if they keep them on a volcano?

Is that the concept of One Cycling. That we should never see the stars racing?

 

[YavorD]

Is that the concept of One Cycling. That we should never see the stars racing?

Perhaps their concept is PPV. Pay (extra) to see the riders racing.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

I think the meaning was the opposite of what you took from it. He rather shows that despite the concussion, the number of race days is not that much lower than the other stars.

In that case, I stand corrected.
(dunno whether I'm considered to be overreacting - fully admit I can get a bit emotional on this subject, myself been severely affected indirectly by my wife's concussion for a full consecusive 52 months in this writing, and directly affected soon 30 years ago, where it took me three years to fully recover when it came to anything but than sedentary office work and bike race, gardening, running or other more physical things was more or less out of the question)

 

[dazaau]

Wout races plenty anytime he is able.

Jonas not coming back until the Dauphine was the most predictable thing. Having said that I have no doubt he will come back in terrifying shape. Pog will have a fight on his hands.

People hoping for him to come out and race LBL or Fleche were dreaming. Most likely if he was in full health you wouldn't see him at these races.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

I don't like this return to the Armstrong calendar. One thing it´s to have a reduced calendar or only one-week races, but not even Froome did this.

The comparison should rightly be with Greg Lemond here, not Lance. Similar situation, Vinge forced to a very reduced calendar.

And a general term should rightly be a "Greg Calendar"

Spoiler

(a reduced Gregorian)

when his hunting accident coincidentally caused a revolutionary pivot change in the peleton, the riders hereafter with much more targeted season planning.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

People hoping for him to come out and race LBL or Fleche were dreaming. Most likely if he was in full health you wouldn't see him at these races.

But you would still have seen him in Catalunya and Romandie.