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Valv.Piti

Valv.Piti

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And the funny thing is that Roglic has never crashed out anywhere in the Giro..

But that stuff doesn't concern mr. broccoli, does it now?
 
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tobydawq

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Boehmand said:
"Issues" is putting it too strongly, we are talking details of 2 very evenly matched world class GT riders here.

But yes, in the last week of the race Vingegaard has been stronger, both in 21 and 22, so it is clearly a trend.
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Pogacar didn't seem too weak on stage 20 of the 2019 Vuelta or the 2020 Tour, though.
 
Krzysztof_O

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tobydawq said:
Pogacar didn't seem too weak on stage 20 of the 2019 Vuelta or the 2020 Tour, though.
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Pogacar was an absolute monster on that stages. In those years it seemed that the ultimate GT racer arrived. But maybe he's gradually transforming into a one-day racer? So soon even one-week races will be too long and too boring for him :p
 
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Red Rick

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Pogacar got 3rd in the final ITT in 2022. Also won a mountain stage and got 2nd on Hautacam in the 3rd week. That's very poor evidence of fading.

In 2021 he won the final 2 MTFs. And when he destroye everyone on stage 9 it was more down to the horrendous weather, I doubt he takes 3'30 if it's dry weather and the stage before isn't 250km.
 
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Red Rick said:
Pogacar got 3rd in the final ITT in 2022. Also won a mountain stage and got 2nd on Hautacam in the 3rd week. That's very poor evidence of fading.

In 2021 he won the final 2 MTFs. And when he destroye everyone on stage 9 it was more down to the horrendous weather, I doubt he takes 3'30 if it's dry weather and the stage before isn't 250km.
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In 2021 his last ITT was weaker compared to the first (which was thermonuclear). His peak form was in the first part of the Tour then (two watt bombs) but other than that last ITT (when he didn't have to go for it anyway) no signs of fading indeed.
 
Boehmand

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tobydawq said:
Pogacar didn't seem too weak on stage 20 of the 2019 Vuelta or the 2020 Tour, though.
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In neither he was up against Vingegaard, and that is the comparison we are talking about.

Compared to Vingegaard Pogacar has a slightly worse ability to recover towards the end of a GT.

That may change, if Pogacar rides a conservative Tour focused on conserving strength this year, but thus far it has been the case.
 
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Boehmand

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Red Rick said:
Pogacar got 3rd in the final ITT in 2022. Also won a mountain stage and got 2nd on Hautacam in the 3rd week. That's very poor evidence of fading.

In 2021 he won the final 2 MTFs. And when he destroye everyone on stage 9 it was more down to the horrendous weather, I doubt he takes 3'30 if it's dry weather and the stage before isn't 250km.
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As said, this is the head to head comparison and small percentages.

Nobody is saying Pogacar is a poor GT rider because of his recovery ability, I'm just saying it's one of the few areas where Vingegaard is marginally better.
 
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Valv.Piti

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I think broccolidwarf might be in for a small surprise on stage 20 this years guys. And thats only if Vingegaard leads which I doubt.
 
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theyoungest said:
Vingegaard and his wife have an interesting relationship, she's quite a few years older and seems to act almost as a custodian or a kind of mentor. I'm sure she knows what she's doing and understands that there's no real need for him to sign a renewal with Jumbo right now. The only reason would be that he doesn't like uncertainty about his future.
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Apparently she doesn't agree :) He just signed for 5 more years at Jumbo, or whatever the team will be called.
 
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To be honest they should rather just use a real image of Jonas then to utilize AI like that. The real image of Jonas as a kid looks good. AI, well ... Won't say more.

Congratulations on contract extension!
 
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CyclistAbi said:
To be honest they should rather just use a real image of Jonas then to utilize AI like that. The real image of Jonas as a kid looks good. AI, well ... Won't say more.

Congratulations on contract extension!
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They used deep fake technology famous for other weird reasons (18+ content etc.).

It's bad & I'm just glad Rogla didn't get this sort of cringe treatment. It makes kid Jonas look like a creepy ventriloquist dummy from a horror movie.
 
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