Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Red Rick]

The risk is being countered by Pog when you are already isolated is not really an ideal circumstance. Obviously Vigo is risk averse

I think when you hold him at 5s that long then you pull him back he's probably not sandbagging. Dropping him would have been a different matter though.

Still heavily favor Pog for the ITT, considering UAEs setup is much better this year and the gap between them wasn't even that big last year.

 

[Netserk]

Quite disappointed with how he rode once he could control the gap to Pogi. If he didn't have the legs to attack, he could have faked a bit how much trouble he was in maybe, and try to time the catch later.

 

[Andy schleck]

He must do the TT of his life otherwise he is screwed

You are to worried with Vingegaard. Keep calm.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You are to worried with Vingegaard. Keep calm.

I'm calm but all the talk about him being stronger at hard mountain stages is just pure bull####

 

[Rackham]

I think Vingegaard has a very strange way of holding a wheel on a descent, almost like he's glued to it.

I'm thinking this can bite him in the butt some day. It seems sketchy & potentially quite risky (in fact he had a little wobble at one point).

Other than that he's a very, very strong climber. He was a bit opportunistic with his MTF sprint win for the bonis there as well, although helped by the motos. So he got one second out of the day, which seems a bit like a stalemate considering the massive investment of energy which Jumbo put into the stage.

 

[skippo12]

Jumbo made the stage as hard as possible. Pacing from the start and blowing up the race immediately after the restart. In the end it Vingegaard didn´t even try to attack Pog. Was happy to close the gap and steal one bonus second. At this point I don´t think he can drop Pog 1v1. He should simply defend the jersey. No heroics. Just follow the wheel. Even if Pog takes a couple of bonus seconds. Don´t help UAE.

 

[Red Rick]

I think Vingegaard has a very strange way of holding a wheel on a descent, almost like he's glued to it.

I'm thinking this can bite him in the butt some day. It seems sketchy & potentially quite risky (in fact he had a little wobble at one point).

Other than that he's a very, very strong climber. He was a bit opportunistic with his MTF sprint win for the bonis there as well, although helped by the motos. So he got one second out of the day, which seems a bit like a stalemate considering the massive investment of energy which Jumbo put into the stage.

Not really.

Pogacar just takes suboptimal lines.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Not really.

Pogacar just takes suboptimal lines.

True that. It looked like Pog was going to overcook a couple corners.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Jumbo made the stage as hard as possible. Pacing from the start and blowing up the race immediately after the restart. In the end it Vingegaard didn´t even try to attack Pog. Was happy to close the gap and steal one bonus second. At this point I don´t think he can drop Pog 1v1. He should simply defend the jersey. No heroics. Just follow the wheel. Even if Pog takes a couple of bonus seconds. Don´t help UAE.

The ITT will dictate the dynamics of the final week. If Vinge has some advantage after it (not 5-10 seconds but let's say 20-30 seconds for example) then JV may ride more defensively.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Somehow unbelievable that Pog and Vinge obviously are exactly equally strong.

Everyone always was talking about „The duel“ between Lance and Jan, but it in fact hardly ever was a duel: Jan mostly had no chance.

With Pog and Vinge in 2023, it looks different: obviously, atm, they have the same power.

Imagine they would be separated by just few seconds, in Paris. This is epic stuff, isn’t it?…

 

[Ripper]

Did it look today like Vigo was just a little bit stronger than he had been lately, Pogo a little bit weaker, both, neither?

 

[Andy schleck]

Did it look today like Vigo was just a little bit stronger than he had been lately, Pogo a little bit weaker, both, neither?

No.....they were really good.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1680344521274449922

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1680344521274449922

 

[bNator]

Not really.

Pogacar just takes suboptimal lines.

He really does everything quite badly, doesn’t he?🤣

 

[Peyroteo94]

No.....they were really good.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1680344521274449922

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1680344521274449922

Pogacar has less than Vingegaard?
If Pogacar and Vingegaard didn't have stopped, they could have been faster, more or less 40 seconds.

 

[Põhja Konn]

Not really.

Pogacar just takes suboptimal lines.

Regardless of that staying so close was unnecessary risk. Vinge should either go past Pog and lead the descent himself or leave a small gap in order the react to the latters moves. Nothing to gain from staying so close on the descent and takes only a small mistake from either for both of them to be down and possibly out of the Tour.

 

[Andy schleck]

Pogacar has less than Vingegaard?
If Pogacar and Vingegaard didn't have stopped, they could have been faster, more or less 40 seconds.

Vingegaard is lighter than pogacar.

 

[Trofonios]

JV is incredibly strong and sure he was happy to gain 1s considering how stage developed in the end. But I also think he might be a bit demoralized. He thought that a hard stage would suit him better but now it was Pog who attacked in the end, not him. Wonder if this will change TJV tactics or if they think that Pog can do less damage if it's really than if it's less hard. Maybe the best they can hope is that Pog makes more tactical errors when he is tired?

 

[DNP-Old]

This was some of the weirdest racing I have ever seen, and I think Vingegaard missed a shot for open goal by being scared of a possible counter that was probably never in Pogacar's legs. I think Vingegaard was comfortably the better rider today and he brutally wasted it.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

This was some of the weirdest racing I have ever seen, and I think Vingegaard missed a shot for open goal by being scared of a possible counter that was probably never in Pogacar's legs. I think Vingegaard was comfortably the better rider today and he brutally wasted it.

I agree, but UAE played it well. He is a bit of a chicken like the thread title says.

 

[Lorzenz08]

This was some of the weirdest racing I have ever seen, and I think Vingegaard missed a shot for open goal by being scared of a possible counter that was probably never in Pogacar's legs. I think Vingegaard was comfortably the better rider today and he brutally wasted it.

I agree, Pogi really didn't look good already 3km out, I'm a Pogi fan but Vinge could have taken 30 secs in today stage IMO.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This was some of the weirdest racing I have ever seen, and I think Vingegaard missed a shot for open goal by being scared of a possible counter that was probably never in Pogacar's legs. I think Vingegaard was comfortably the better rider today and he brutally wasted it.

Pogacar was bluffing and slopes didn't help Pogacar either. Vingegaard rode a smart race there. TT will be huge and should be his main focus now.

 

[noob]

I have clearly underestimated Jonas cat level! The way his chemistry with Pog was 2021 Jonas seemed to almost admire Pog and the plan B documentary created such a shy and introvert image for him it's still stuck in my head.
Plus; Jonas innocent looks is so decieving! Pog looks like a cat, Jonas looks more like some cute baby monkey. But he's obviously a cat on the inside

 

[Krzysztof_O]

No.....they were really good.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1680344521274449922

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1680344521274449922

So it looks like they did about 1830 m/h of VAM for over 28 minutes. Huge values at the end of difficult stage.

 

[Extinction]

This was some of the weirdest racing I have ever seen, and I think Vingegaard missed a shot for open goal by being scared of a possible counter that was probably never in Pogacar's legs. I think Vingegaard was comfortably the better rider today and he brutally wasted it.

Yea, but, had Kuss not gone down the finishing climb would have been totally different. And I think Vingo could have attacked off Kuss' work and dropped Pog to gain some time.

 

[skippo12]

Minor victory. First time that he could match Pogs burst. He has to feel good about his chances. In the last two years he beat Pog in the third week TT and should be favored on a climb like Loze.