Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Axel Hangleck]

I generally do not find Vingegård to be a particularly exciting rider (nor does he show much personality), and this view is based on a more general pattern of conservative riding (or at least only attacking from far out when the competition is Pog-free). As a longtime follower of the sport, he is not an easy rider to cheer for.

I find it hard to warm to him; come across as a bit bland & boring....and his racing style is similar. A bit one dimensional......Put it this way, he's not going to take on the classics guys on their territory, is he?

 

[frisenfruitig]

He was boxed in and 9 wheels back at 730 meters to go before overhead camera cut. I'm so sure that would've taken ''a couple of seconds'' to go to the front and do a nice little pull for Wout even when the pace was already very high.

Where is the common sense?

If he had any intention of helping he wouldn't have been that far back but there was certainly enough time for him to go to the front, he just didn't do so nor did he even try.

Benoot even managed to hit the front when it was already too late and he was completely spent at that point. It certainly wasn't impossible.

 

[pelotonIQ]

If he had any intention of helping he wouldn't have been that far back but there was certainly enough time for him to go to the front, he just didn't do so nor did he even try.

Benoot even managed to hit the front when it was already too late and he was completely spent at that point. It certainly wasn't impossible.

That's what Benoot is being paid for.

 

[frisenfruitig]

That's what Benoot is being paid for.

Lol ok man, if you want to pretend helping out a team mate is beneath Vingegaard then be my guest, but at least don't pretend he couldn't have.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Lol ok man, if you want to pretend helping out a team mate is beneath Vingegaard then be my guest, but at least don't pretend he couldn't have.

You're unrealistic if you're thinking that Vinge at 730 meters to go should have elbowed his way out of being boxed in risking a crash and then sprint past 9 bikes (in an already very fast moving bunch) just because Wout got caught sleeping. There are days when a GC leader could offer help but yesterday was not one of them.

 

[frisenfruitig]

You're unrealistic if you're thinking that Vinge at 730 meters to go should have elbowed his way out of being boxed in risking a crash and then sprint past 9 bikes (in an already very fast moving bunch) just because Wout got caught sleeping. There are days when a GC leader could offer help but yesterday was not one of them.

Pretty much no one except you argues he couldn't have done anything, the only "defence" I have seen is that it wasn't up to him to help. The pace Kelderman was setting really wasn't as fast as you seem to think. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one because I can tell this is going nowhere.

 

[Scarponi]

In what world does a the top 2 GC rider do work for team mates in the TDF. When has it ever been a thing? Can you imagine a Contador, Nibali , Froome, Evans Etc doing it. This isn’t Paris Nice lol

 

[JosefK]

In what world does a the top 2 GC rider do work for team mates in the TDF. When has it ever been a thing? Can you imagine a Contador, Nibali , Froome, Evans Etc doing it. This isn’t Paris Nice lol

I wonder if G is to blame a bit for this discussion (for leading out Cav in Rome)? ... Albeit Cav wasn't a teammate, and it was the final stage/stretch rather than an earlier stage where energy conservation and safety is even more important for GC.

 

[SHAD0W93]

While not directly, I do find it funny Vingegaard was in the leadout role for WVA the last two stages.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

While not directly, I do find it funny Vingegaard was in the leadout role for WVA the last two stages.

Today was just about getting onto the race track in a safe position. It was no surprise he ended up finishing on the wheel of Pogi.

 

[Nick2413]

While not directly, I do find it funny Vingegaard was in the leadout role for WVA the last two stages.

Dude looked like he was about to get a gap at one point.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Dude looked like he was about to get a gap at one point.

Since I had just tuned in a couple mins before I thought Pog had crashed or gotten gapped when I saw him that far up front.

 

[hayneplane]

It was hilarious that for a couple of minutes it looked as though he might be about to do a textbook lead out for Laporte. Wouts reaction had that happened would have been priceless.

 

[Red Rick]

Team probably went "Jonas, just stick with the team" without mentioning to drop back and chill so Jonas, in his indecisiveness went "wtf I'm doing a leadout I didn't sign up for this"

 

[dazaau]

Team probably went "Jonas, just stick with the team" without mentioning to drop back and chill so Jonas, in his indecisiveness went "wtf I'm doing a leadout I didn't sign up for this"

It was really weird seeing him in second wheel at the pointy end of a sprint, for no reason that I could think of. I guess he kept safe but it looked like a lot of work!

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I mean, he rode in second wheel through a very technical section where it‘s probably harder in 30th wheel and he just held Mohorič‘s wheel and drifted back behind the sprinters after Mohorič pulled off so he clearly made a point of not going into the wind. I don‘t know what all the drama and analysing here is about.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So the first opportunity to drop a watt bomb? Will there be any survivors if he does?

 

[Peter von]

So the first opportunity to drop a watt bomb? Will there be any survivors if he does?

maybe. I don't think he likes to attack with 18k downhill/flat to go after the top.

 

[Red Rick]

maybe. I don't think he likes to attack with 18k downhill/flat to go after the top.

Did it twice in Itzulia and once in the Dauphine.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

maybe. I don't think he likes to attack with 18k downhill/flat to go after the top.

There isn't much flat afterwards and he knows how to descend so he can go for it but I think he will have Pog on his wheel (who will do his job at the top and at the finish).

 

[Peter von]

There isn't much flat afterwards and he knows how to descend so he can go for it but I think he will have Pog on his wheel (who will do his job at the top and at the finish).

Yeah. I just think he prefers to do it when the finish doesn't have a downhill section where Pogi can come back. If he has the legs to watt Pogi out of his wheel today, he also has the legs to do it on Sunday. Racing downhill creates

Did it twice in Itzulia and once in the Dauphine.

Yeah but there he rode with a weak(for Jumbo standards ) team and against several non-Pogi riders, so might as well flip the table over instead of facing attacks from 6 different riders.

 

[Netserk]

Gotta save all matches for the volcano.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Gotta save all matches for the volcano.

A lot depends on the race situation and postponing things is not necessarily the best solution. If Vinge feels strong today he can try and if he sees that Pogacar is not on his best day he can keep hammering and get a gap. If the attack on Pogacar fails he can slow down and let the group catch up.

 

[Netserk]

Bah, still playing in easy mode.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Ayuso looks to the only threat to him. If he doesn't step up, Lance is in serious trouble.