Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Krzysztof_O]

4.5. *** happens, he could have a crash like Froome’s or Bernal’s.

Two years ago 23 yo Pogacar, with 2 TdF titles to his name, was poised to win over 5 Tours but he found his boogieman. Things can change quickly but yeah, it seem we are in for the Fishy era at the Tour.

 

[tobydawq]

Too good. How annoying.

 

[Salvarani]

Two years ago 23 yo Pogacar, with 2 TdF titles to his name, was poised to win over 5 Tours but he found his boogieman. Things can change quickly but yeah, it seem we are in for the Fishy era at the Tour.

Just like people said that Evenepoel was the new Merckx.

This why no one should "panic" and assume a rider will dominate the next decade after dominating for a bit. Someone new rises to challenge/take over.

Vingegaards time is now, but we have no idea to know for how long.

 

[Valv.Piti]

4.5. *** happens, he could have a crash like Froome’s or Bernal’s.

3.5 I think. There are simply too many generational talents (Evenepoel, Ayuso, Pogacar) at the moment.

 

[Red Rick]

3.5 I think. There are simply too many generational talents (Evenepoel, Ayuso, Pogacar) at the moment.

In a situation like this I think you're looking more for random wtf stories and curveballs rather than known entities that are established and have known limits. Pogacar is currently getting clapped. Evenepoel is a known quantity himself.Ayuso may be a threat depending on how much he improves, but I'm a bit sceptical.

The thing about cycling is the landscape nearly always changes much faster than we anticipate. 2 years ago Pogacar was unbeatable. 3 years ago Bernal won his first of many Tours.

 

[RedheadDane]

The thing about cycling is the landscape nearly always changes much faster than we anticipate. 2 years ago Pogacar was unbeatable. 3 years ago Bernal won his first of many Tours.

That was 4 years ago...

 

[Red Rick]

That was 4 years ago...

Time is fluid in cycling.

 

[RedheadDane]

Time is fluid in cycling.

TBF, time has been rather fluid everywhere these last couple of years...

 

[Mlarsen]

Vingegaard was on fire today and set a record on the last climb.

20 minutes and 58 seconds. That's how long it took Jonas Vingegaard to drive up Wednesday's final climb in the Tour de France today.

And it is a new record on the Col de Marie Blanque, where the last four kilometers in particular are violently steep.

By comparison, Tadej Pogacar and Primoz Roglic took 22 minutes and 27 seconds to complete the climb in 2020.

Jonas Vingegaard was thus one minute and 29 seconds faster than the two cycling stars.

Who said that Jonas rode a bike boringly and never attacked aggressively compared to Pogi?

As a Dane and cycling enthusiast, I am incredibly proud today

 

[Extinction]

In a situation like this I think you're looking more for random wtf stories and curveballs rather than known entities that are established and have known limits. Pogacar is currently getting clapped. Evenepoel is a known quantity himself.Ayuso may be a threat depending on how much he improves, but I'm a bit sceptical.

The thing about cycling is the landscape nearly always changes much faster than we anticipate. 2 years ago Pogacar was unbeatable. 3 years ago Bernal won his first of many Tours.

Yea, but the big champs today are all washed up tomorrow. I mean, how could it be any different, with 42 kmh Tours and what not? They can't keep it up. It's impossible at those speeds.

 

[Netserk]

In a situation like this I think you're looking more for random wtf stories and curveballs rather than known entities that are established and have known limits. Pogacar is currently getting clapped. Evenepoel is a known quantity himself.Ayuso may be a threat depending on how much he improves, but I'm a bit sceptical.

The thing about cycling is the landscape nearly always changes much faster than we anticipate. 2 years ago Pogacar was unbeatable. 3 years ago Bernal won his first of many Tours.

Two years ago, Vingegaard dropped Pogi on Ventoux.

But given that you have Bernal's victory as 3 years ago, maybe you mistyped what you meant.

 

[Extinction]

Vingegaard was on fire today and set a record on the last climb.

20 minutes and 58 seconds. That's how long it took Jonas Vingegaard to drive up Wednesday's final climb in the Tour de France today.

And it is a new record on the Col de Marie Blanque, where the last four kilometers in particular are violently steep.

By comparison, Tadej Pogacar and Primoz Roglic took 22 minutes and 27 seconds to complete the climb in 2020.

Jonas Vingegaard was thus one minute and 29 seconds faster than the two cycling stars.

Who said that Jonas rode a bike boringly and never attacked aggressively compared to Pogi?

As a Dane and cycling enthusiast, I am incredibly proud today

Ok, we get it. On to tomorrow.

 

[Netserk]

It was an incredibly fast time today, but 2020 was not similarly raced full-gas. Otherwise Pogi and Rogla would have dropped the rest with a healthy margin.

 

[Red Rick]

Two years ago, Vingegaard dropped Pogi on Ventoux.

But given that you have Bernal's victory as 3 years ago, maybe you mistyped what you meant.

Not really.

I'm talknig about the narratives.

I think they tend to be terrible in sports. Or at least in any sport I'm convinced I know a lot about.

 

[Netserk]

Not really.

I'm talknig about the narratives.

I think they tend to be terrible in sports. Or at least in any sport I'm convinced I know a lot about.

Stories are overrated:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoEEDKwzNBw

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Vingegaard was on fire today and set a record on the last climb.

20 minutes and 58 seconds. That's how long it took Jonas Vingegaard to drive up Wednesday's final climb in the Tour de France today.

He drove up it? No wonder he was fast then.

As a Dane and a cycling enthusiast, I was quite meh after today's stage. I like a proper fight between two or more riders, and right now it sadly doesn't look like it will be the case here. But there are still more than two weeks of racing left, so nothing is decided yet.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

As a Dane and cycling enthusiast, I am incredibly proud today

Proud? What of? I bet you're fun at parties......

 

[Gratemans]

maybe. I don't think he likes to attack with 18k downhill/flat to go after the top.

Turns out he does! (not meant as a knock on you, I didn't expect it either)
I gotta say, I'm beginning to like this 2023 Vingegaard.

That would be my guess as well. Seems likely he'll get another 2 before someone can realistically catch up.

I've watched this sport for 20+ years and have been convinced numerous times another LA 7-year domination event was about to unfold. Preparation, injuries, and the arrival of a new generation of superstars tend to halt hegemonies much quicker than what people want to think while seeing domination unfold.

The year is 2026 and Ayuso is the "obvious" winner of the next 5 tours

I could pretend that I liked that post because of you making sense, but to be honest, I liked it mostly because of your name.

 

[johnymax]

Almost everyone finds their kryptonite eventually. Contador found Froome, Froome found Taxus' delusional positivity, Bernal found Roglič, Roglič found Pogačar, Pogačar found Vingegaard, Remco found Skjelmose...
It's just a matter of time Vingegaard finds his. Unless Pogačar finds a way to crack him. I say the Tour is not over yet...

 

[42x16ss]

He drove up it? No wonder he was fast then.

As a Dane and a cycling enthusiast, I was quite meh after today's stage. I like a proper fight between two or more riders, and right now it sadly doesn't look like it will be the case here. But there are still more than two weeks of racing left, so nothing is decided yet.

Looking like a different duel now. Hindley and Bora can't be underestimated, you can't ignore a Giro winner in this position

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Looking like a different duel now. Hindley and Bora can't be underestimated, you can't ignore a Giro winner in this position

It might be a new duel, but Vingegaard shouldn't yet panic because he's 47 seconds behind a guy he beat by 3 minutes in the Dauphiné. Of course if he goes for it again today or on Puy de Dôme, and Hindley is able to hang on, then it'll be a different situation. But even if the gap is still roughly the same ahead of the ITT, then I still think he has it in the bag. Time will tell.

 

[42x16ss]

It might be a new duel, but Vingegaard shouldn't yet panic because he's 47 seconds behind a guy he beat by 3 minutes in the Dauphiné. Of course if he goes for it again today or on Puy de Dôme, and Hindley is able to hang on, then it'll be a different situation. But even if the gap is still roughly the same ahead of the ITT, then I still think he has it in the bag. Time will tell.

For sure Vingegaard doesn't need to panic, but he can't just focus on Pogacar anymore either. Hindley has been keeping his cards close to his chest so far this season, and may have built up at the right time.

 

[Lequack]

Time to change the topic to Vingegaard is the new Merckx?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Time to change the topic to Vingegaard is the new Merckx?

Let him win Flandres first.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Time to change the topic to Vingegaard is the new Merckx?

No, cause he isn't.

For sure Vingegaard doesn't need to panic, but he can't just focus on Pogacar anymore either. Hindley has been keeping his cards close to his chest so far this season, and may have built up at the right time.

He obviously shouldn't underestimate Hindley, and he should also try to gain time on him as soon as possible. Having too many riders to focus on will make it harder for JV to control things. Van Aert is weaker in the mountains than last year (for now at least), Kelderman is possibly not at his very best either, and who knows how consistent Kuss will be after the Giro?