- Jul 7, 2013
- 8,086
- 14,931
- 23,180
TBH I find this MTT kinda disappointing among all those huge MTFs, the climb is too short. I would prefer a big one (i.e. up nearby Portet or even Mt Ventoux) even at the cost of one less big mountain stage.
TBH I find this MTT kinda disappointing among all those huge MTFs, the climb is too short. I would prefer a big one (i.e. up nearby Portet or even Mt Ventoux) even at the cost of one less big mountain stage.
- Feb 20, 2012
- 53,923
- 44,311
- 28,180
I get it, and I agree, and yet I'm not too fussed about it. Prefer this over an MTT on one of the giant climbs, though Loze via Courchevel is so ass maybe it should be the MTT.
At least it's not so big it's gonna hamper the stages before.
Now that a bit more time has passed, what do we think of the various Visma statements before the Dauphine suggesting that JV was favourite for the Tour/ would give Pogacar a serious run for his money?
They know the sort of numbers Pog was doing at the Tour last year, so it's not like they don't know the sort of numbers he'd need to be doing to beat Pog. I can't quite work out whether:
a. They were just bullshitting, and they knew JV wouldn't be close to Pog.
b. They expected JV to be better at the Dauphine; he's been doing better numbers in training.
c. This is all part of their mind games, and they expected JV to be worse than Pog at the Dauphine, but better at the Tour.
They know the sort of numbers Pog was doing at the Tour last year, so it's not like they don't know the sort of numbers he'd need to be doing to beat Pog. I can't quite work out whether:
a. They were just bullshitting, and they knew JV wouldn't be close to Pog.
b. They expected JV to be better at the Dauphine; he's been doing better numbers in training.
c. This is all part of their mind games, and they expected JV to be worse than Pog at the Dauphine, but better at the Tour.
- Jul 7, 2013
- 8,086
- 14,931
- 23,180
Plugge seemed upbeat with his comments that Vingo is superior in stage-racing. After the Dauphine they got more humble but we will know the truth (about Vingo's form compared to Pog) only during mountains stages of the Tour.
I had belief in Vinge in high mountains before 2024, but i just can’t see how anyone could beat that Pog. Maybe im wrong though and Visma have this well planned?
- Jan 29, 2021
- 4,247
- 5,591
- 15,180
The weight also plays a role.
1/2/3 less kg means a lot of seconds in a 20 min or 40 min effort.
Vingegaard still have some weight to lose before the Tour. I think he will lose less weight than evenepoel before the Tour, but more than pogacar.
- Mar 20, 2022
- 13,244
- 18,010
- 22,180
Studies say 1 kg means probably means 1% of gain in a climb. So an hour effort for a rider 1kg lighter, means he will be 36 seconds faster.
- Mar 20, 2022
- 13,244
- 18,010
- 22,180
Yeah Jonas. I like you more after this.
View: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLiXutnM8Yt/?igsh=amx5eXlpZG52Mzli
View: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLiXutnM8Yt/?igsh=amx5eXlpZG52Mzli
- Feb 20, 2012
- 53,923
- 44,311
- 28,180
It's always the damn same where they expect the enemy not to make a similar giant leap for mankind again.
Pretty sure even the mortals of today would beat Pogacar/Vingegaard of like 2022.
- Jul 16, 2015
- 5,374
- 13,954
- 23,180
I've come to finally stop believing in Santa Claus and see all these pre-Tour comments from team bosses about the super form of their star riders for what they are: sponsorship massage therapy.
It's that simple. Plugge has been busy behind the scenes adding sponsors left right and center for a while now, so what type of conversations do you think take place in the boardroom business meetings? "Our guy is the best, you can bet on it".
Just look elsewhere, i.e. a few days from the Tour almost every team has had perfect preparation, every rider is in top form, every detail has been minutely prepared. It's all perfect. Then a month from now we'll hear about sickness, guys who were hit by a car in training, tick bites or whatever else when the performances don't follow.
It's that simple. Plugge has been busy behind the scenes adding sponsors left right and center for a while now, so what type of conversations do you think take place in the boardroom business meetings? "Our guy is the best, you can bet on it".
Just look elsewhere, i.e. a few days from the Tour almost every team has had perfect preparation, every rider is in top form, every detail has been minutely prepared. It's all perfect. Then a month from now we'll hear about sickness, guys who were hit by a car in training, tick bites or whatever else when the performances don't follow.
- Apr 30, 2011
- 47,134
- 29,769
- 28,180
« Si vous avez reçu un don, vous devez l'utiliser » : les motivations de Jonas Vingegaard pour s'offrir un troisième Tour de France
Revenu de ses chutes, le Danois Jonas Vingegaard, double vainqueur du Tour (2022, 2023), se plonge sur ses motivations, son mental, et veut croire en ses chances face à Tadej Pogacar, son éternel rival, vainqueur des éditions 2020, 2021 et 2024.
www.lequipe.fr
- Nov 6, 2023
- 849
- 1,548
- 5,180
- Jul 7, 2013
- 8,086
- 14,931
- 23,180
- Apr 30, 2011
- 47,134
- 29,769
- 28,180
Oh my *** god I would pay so much for technology that automatically removes Niermann's face from my screen
So based on the interview plan A is to outmuscle Pogi, plan B to win Mr. Olympia. Matteo confirming he seen the muscle and it's big.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
- Jan 29, 2021
- 4,247
- 5,591
- 15,180
- Feb 20, 2012
- 53,923
- 44,311
- 28,180
- Jan 29, 2021
- 4,247
- 5,591
- 15,180
- Jul 16, 2015
- 5,374
- 13,954
- 23,180
But his radio comms would be perfect for an answering machine, right? "Come on eh, you catch him you kill him!" or "Come on eh, all the way to the line!"
I really think Vingegaard is going to be a lot better than people expect. I don't know, maybe I'm just wildly optimistic, but he has shown in the past that he knows how to peak for the Tour. Not saying he'll necessarily win, but I'm sure it's not going to be the walkover some people are expecting.
- Jul 7, 2013
- 8,086
- 14,931
- 23,180
I also think he will be very strong (noticeably better than at the Dauphine), Visma-LAB know how to peak. Whether it will be enough to beat Pogacar, that's a different story. Definitely no walkover should be expected.
- Aug 24, 2009
- 533
- 639
- 11,780
I am not sure it is physically possible to be a lot better, but he'll probably be better than on the Dauphine. I just don't think he will be so much better that he wins the race.
That said, I do agree that it will be a relatively close race.
- Apr 11, 2024
- 152
- 201
- 1,230
I've only seen this from Remco recently, last year. Jonas, in 2022/2023, was already in great form in June before the Tour, and was by far the strongest (excluding Tadej).
TRENDING THREADS
-
World Championship 2025: Men’s RR, September 28- Started by Berniece
- Replies: 2K
-
Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread- Started by DNP-Old
- Replies: 36K
-
Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread- Started by Lequack
- Replies: 41K
-
Il Lombardia 2025, monument, October 11
- Started by Krzysztof_O
- Replies: 792
-
Teams & Riders The Great Big Cycling Transfers, Extensions, and Rumours Thread- Started by RedheadDane
- Replies: 13K
-
European Championship 2025: Men’s RR, October 5- Started by Berniece
- Replies: 854
-
Facebook
Twitter
Instagram