Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Rockestar_33]

Can we consider Vuelta-Giro as actually being 'in a row"?
Two GTs each year for two consecutive years, ok, that's one thing.
But "in a row".
I'am not convinced.

Plus, in 2025:
62 race days: 61 of which stage races, and a DNF at CC
doesn't appear like a crazy schedule

Froome talked about doing Tour-Vuelta-Giro as a reason for his poor performance in the tour in 18.

 

[Squire]

Froome talked about doing Tour-Vuelta-Giro as a reason for his poor performance in the tour in 18.

Ah, Froome, the shining light of truth and sincerity. I'd say that his Tour struggles were chiefly due to attempting the Giro-Tour double and having to dig really deep to win the former. Pretty sure it wouldn't have mattered if he had skipped the previous Vuelta. And he was also in decline at that point.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Setting his miracle day on Finestre aside, Froome was better at the Tour than the Giro in 2018. He also did comfortably the best TT of his season on the penultimate day of the race.

 

[theyoungest]

Nah that’s just standard GC leaders racing. If you were to cite Pogacar jumping every time time Jorgensen made a move in the Tour then that would be fair to call that out as petty.

Nah, I'd call it a classic case of media bias influencing public perception. Of course it's allowed to sit on the wheel for the whole climb and then humiliate your opponent. But if it had been the other way around, Vingegaard sitting on and Pogacar pulling, we wouldn't have heard the end of it. Just like with Van Hooydonck, of all people.

 

[theyoungest]

I suspect Jorgenson might have too big a frame to do a top GT GC, 10 years ago he would've got away with it, but the w/kg is too high at the moment, I saw his DEXA scan a while ago and he didn't have an ounce of fat on him at 69kg 1.90m. Unfortunately he risks going for multiple conflicting goals and getting neither so will have to decide at some point, but it would be interesting to see him try and do an Abrahamsen and pack on 10 kilos of muscle, he is already a really good classics rider.

I don't know what Jorgenson's goal is. If it is to win a GT, that's not going to happen. If it is to podium, well maybe if everything goes his way. Van Garderen managed to do it, probably a similar sort of rider (but also in a different era).

 

[Cycling111]

Froome did the Giro because he was awaiting a sanction.

 

[Netserk]

I don't know what Jorgenson's goal is. If it is to win a GT, that's not going to happen. If it is to podium, well maybe if everything goes his way. Van Garderen managed to do it, probably a similar sort of rider (but also in a different era).

tjvg managed fifth

 

[Cycling111]

I'm surprised he's doing UAE Tour. He's never won it, but it's a completely unnecessary race.

For me, it's a race for sprinters, and UAE riders are there because of sponsorship. The rest of the teams have more interesting races.

I imagine Visma will get a pretty penny from it.

 

[RedheadDane]

I'm surprised he's doing UAE Tour. He's never won it, but it's a completely unnecessary race.

It's like Poland; he has unfinished business.
This time it's winning a stage without being confused for Chris Harper.

 

[theyoungest]

tjvg managed fifth

Oh well, there you go. The hype was such that I upgraded his performance in my memory. At least Dutch tv was very Van Garderen-minded, for obvious reasons.

Actually I don't see Jorgenson doing better than 5th either. 5th is already a stretch.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He can't crash in Paris-Nice or Itzulia if he doesn't race there.

 

[Rou]

Jonas in the desert. HELL YEAH!
For the first time looking forward to the UAE tour.

 

[theyoungest]

Jonas in the desert. HELL YEAH!
For the first time looking forward to the UAE tour.

He's done it before. Even won a stage.

 

[Rackham]

He's done it before. Even won a stage.

No that was Chris Harper.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So Jonas officially in the Giro. He's hoping to complete the GT triple and lower the pressure a bit before the Tour.
At best he will repeat Pogacar's 2024 heroics in July. At worst, he will spend the summer doing houseworks with Trine (if she orders so).

 

[Red Rick]

Setting his miracle day on Finestre aside, Froome was better at the Tour than the Giro in 2018. He also did comfortably the best TT of his season on the penultimate day of the race.

He wasn't consistent in either. He really wasn't good in the Pyrenees but he didn't have a shockers like Sappada or Gran Sasso where he gets dropped by 10+ guys.

Zoncolan and Finestre were both better than any of his TdF mountain stages, and with Cervinia we just don't know.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

but he didn't have a shockers like Sappada or Gran Sasso where he gets dropped by 10+ guys.

...and possibly the two worst showings on a HTF I've ever seen by someone who wound up winning that GT at Caltagirone and Osimo. Zonc doesn't make up for that.

 

[yaco]

Can we consider Vuelta-Giro as actually being 'in a row"?
Two GTs each year for two consecutive years, ok, that's one thing.
But "in a row".
I'am not convinced.

Plus, in 2025:
62 race days: 61 of which stage races, and a DNF at CC
doesn't appear like a crazy schedule

Riders struggle with 4 consecutive Gts. You are effectively completing 12 weeks of GC action in 52 weeks.

 

[vappaxbipmv]

Riders struggle with 4 consecutive Gts. You are effectively completing 12 weeks of GC action in 52 weeks.

55 weeks, there will be overlap. And I don't think it should be an issue for anyone, there's almost 9 months between the Vuelta and the Giro, surely that's enough to not feel fatigue? Otherwise one should change profession immediately

 

[Berniece]

In an interview with Sporza, Vingegaard says he was pushing better values in Vuelta compared to TDF. So they expect the same this year. I call ***, since he didn't look that impressive during the Vuelta compared to the TDF.

 

[Netserk]

In an interview with Sporza, Vingegaard says he was pushing better values in Vuelta compared to TDF. So they expect the same this year. I call ***, since he didn't look that impressive during the Vuelta compared to the TDF.

in an interview i listened to, he only said that he reached a higher level in the vuelta in 2023

 

[Rackham]

Riders talking about "my best values" has become cycling folklore at this point. It's wheeled out for good performances, bad performances and everything in between. What really matters is relative performance so when Vingegeaard goes from walloping everyone not called Pog in the Tour to then arriving with a small bunch in the Vuelta or at best placing an attack and taking 20-30 seconds out of Almeida. Nah, not his best values.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

55 weeks, there will be overlap. And I don't think it should be an issue for anyone, there's almost 9 months between the Vuelta and the Giro, surely that's enough to not feel fatigue? Otherwise one should change profession immediately

I don't think you can simultaneous be fussy about 55 weeks rather than 52, and then pass off less than 8 months (14 Sept to 8 May) as "almost 9".

 

[vappaxbipmv]

I don't think you can simultaneous be fussy about 55 weeks rather than 52, and then pass off less than 8 months (14 Sept to 8 May) as "almost 9".

Fair enough but my point remains, there's a huge time gap between the Vuelta and the Giro

 

[Tanakka]

Riders struggle with 4 consecutive Gts. You are effectively completing 12 weeks of GC action in 52 weeks.

55 weeks for 'Tour-Vuelta-Giro-Tour';
62 weeks for 'Tour-Vuelta-Tour-Vuelta'
33-34 weeks break between Vuelta and Giro

Again, i'm not so convinced it's such a big factor:
If anything, I'd say the two GTs per year, in two consecutive years, aspect, is bigger.
But even more so, what matters is how tired you were at the end of the first GT of the year.

Those 8 months between Vuelta and Giro are a long break.
If you are feeling tired you might skip a ' Volta ao Algarve' or whatnot.
They don't need to race a lot to prepare, nowadays, anyway.