Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Lequack]

In the words of Roglic: "Why not, eh?" So I made this thread.

https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/juan-ayuso-pesquera

Just 18 years of age, he is having quite a year, especially at the baby Giro at the moment. And of course he already got picked up by UAE, officially from August 1st.
And they signed him until 2025 so they clearly must see something in him as well. Let the hype begin!

 

[Blanco]

Of course they see something in him, the kid is a monster! And he can descend too..

 

[limak_]

Is he the next Pogačar ? Cause then, it's really not fair to have two of them in one team for the next at least 4 years.

 

[Lequack]

No, he's clearly the next Contador,, cause he's Spanish.

View: https://youtu.be/PdAtcJlhXZ0

 

[BlueRoads]

Well, I wish the guy all the best as long as he's on my cq-team, but it is very wise for him to have such a long contract with UAE with Pogacar there?...

 

[Lequack]

Here's the news from last year's signing.

UAE Team Emirates sign 17-year-old Spanish junior champion to long-term deal

Juan Ayuso signs five-year contract with WorldTour team

www.cyclingnews.com

"The idea is to give him time and space to develop as a rider and as a person," Joxean Matxin Fernandez said of Ayuso. "The priority at the moment is that he enjoys the bike. It’s a five year outlook with Juan and he is part of the long-term project we are building at UAE Team Emirates."

 

[perico]

I thought there was already an Ayuso thread?

If he was Belgian he’d be more hyped than The Chosen One was. Ayuso has been pretty unbeatable at the jr level now for a couple of years.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Ayuso has been pretty unbeatable at the jr level now for a couple of years.

But only in Spain. His international performances in JR races were not really spectacular.

 

[Offline]

Amazing talent! Can climb, TT and sprint. A new Pogacar/Remco.
Movistar missed the next spanish superstar, bad luck for them!

 

[BlueRoads]

I find it hard to tell what the numbers from yesterday show.
It obviously was a great performance and before I saw the times I was inclined to say the time gain was due to the mild competition in this age where "many" of the best U21s are already in the pro ranks...
But obviously, despite the time gap, the others were quite fast as well.
I'm a bit confused.

 

[Offline]

Ayuso is still a first year U23 in a race where, this year, U24's are allowed to race as well. With this rule in place Ayuso could still ride the Baby Giro 2025.

 

[ice&fire]

Well, I wish the guy all the best as long as he's on my cq-team, but it is very wise for him to have such a long contract with UAE with Pogacar there?...

He'll be 23 at the end of the contract. He just needs to properly time his peak years to avoid being past his prime at that time.

 

[BlueRoads]

Ayuso is still a first year U23 in a race where, this year, U24's are allowed to race as well. With this rule in place Ayuso could still ride the Baby Giro 2025.

I'm not doubting it's a great performance... I just don't know what exactly to do with the times, whether they are as insane as it seems or whether there were favourable conditions... and what the times say about his competitors. I am not good with numbers or juniors, so it was a real question what others say about this, in a bit more detail than "great performance".

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Amazing talent! Can climb, TT and sprint. A new Pogacar/Remco.
Movistar missed the next spanish superstar, bad luck for them!

He can TT, but the only real international test he did, was the junior Euro TT, where he did "very well" and finished 5th about a minute down form M Vacek. Likely he can improve, but for the moment he doesn't seem like he's going to be the one to take time on other GC favorites in ITT's.

I'm not doubting it's a great performance... I just don't know what exactly to do with the times, whether they are as insane as it seems or whether there were favourable conditions... and what the times say about his competitors. I am not good with numbers or juniors, so it was a real question what others say about this, in a bit more detail than "great performance".

It's the only thing you can do. Two months ago he rode the same races with the pro's as Vansevenant. GP Industria & Artigianato, which has a very hilly profile, and was won by Vansevenant outsprinting Landa, Mollema & Quintana, there Ayoso finished 50-something 5 minutes down. In Coppi/Bartali in the first hilly stage he was in the attack with Vansevenant in the finale, he got dropped by Vansevenant, and lost a minute in the last km's. He was 17th in GC finally 2m24 from winner Vingegaard.

Just to give you some point of reference. These are great results for a guy his age, but he's not going to eat Pog for breakfast just yet. I do think however, that he'll make more of an impact as a neopro, than for instance Brenner, because he seems to be more dominant in his wins, but again, like someone mentioned, he's not done many international races, so it's difficult to compare.

 

[Offline]

He can TT, but the only real international test he did, was the junior Euro TT, where he did "very well" and finished 5th about a minute down form M Vacek. Likely he can improve, but for the moment he doesn't seem like he's going to be the one to take time on other GC favorites in ITT's.

''1km into the ITT my seatpost dropped completely, managed to save the day as best as possible'' Juan Auyso.

That's madness.. He only lost 0:33 to the winner and had same time as the dutch champion D. Hoole!!!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

''1km into the ITT my seatpost dropped completely, managed to save the day as best as possible'' Juan Auyso.

That's madness.. He only lost 0:33 to the winner and had same time as the dutch champion D. Hoole!!!

That's indeed madness because i don't believe for a second, that he would ride for 24km with a saddle that has dropped all the way down and only lose 33s. Unless the story is he stopped, raised his saddle, and continued? Which would take maybe 15s or so.

 

[Offline]

That's indeed madness because i don't believe for a second, that he would ride for 24km with a saddle that has dropped all the way down and only lose 33s. Unless the story is he stopped, raised his saddle, and continued? Which would take maybe 15s or so.

Don't know. But comes from himself via twitter.

 

[Lui98]

That's indeed madness because i don't believe for a second, that he would ride for 24km with a saddle that has dropped all the way down and only lose 33s. Unless the story is he stopped, raised his saddle, and continued? Which would take maybe 15s or so.

He posted this image on his Twitter profile to show the issue with the saddle

 

[Blanco]

Amazing talent! Can climb, TT and sprint. A new Pogacar/Remco.
Movistar missed the next spanish superstar, bad luck for them!

?!

 

[Samamba]

The real deal, the kid is crazy good

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He posted this image on his Twitter profile to show the issue with the saddle

Thanks. While his saddle is clearly too low, this is also clearly not "all the way down".
But i'm sure he lost lots of time, it's just impossible to say how much time.

 

[Offline]

One more crazy note on his perfromance at the baby giro:

Mihai Simion: ''The 18-year old Juan Ayuso climbed yesterday Colle Passerino (4,1 km@9,9%) at ~6,5 w/kg in 13 min 04 sec, 25 sec faster than Bernal, Carthy and Landa in this year's Giro! Exploding head Pro cycling has found another phenomenon''

just wow!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

?!

Maybe he's also a half decent football player.

The kid is clearly talented, and I bet he would have done better if the Coppi e Bartali had been ridden now. It'll be interesting to see how UAE are planning to use him this year.

How are the rules these days, will he be allowed to ride the U23 WC (though the route might not suit him at all)?

 

[Lequack]

Today's baby Giro stage is this one

 

[will-10]

I'm onboard.
Choo choo