Teams & Riders Hot Foss - The Tobias Foss Thread

[Eeslliw]

He - sort of indirectly - got his dad some money.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571427488550486018

So much about clean sport. Dads betting on their sons wins. Disgraceful.

 

[Big Doopie]

Now seems like a good time to revive this thread.

question: will it also take a few more years to get this thread to page 3 or is Foss the new Merckx?

 

[Red Rick]

So much about clean sport. Dads betting on their sons wins. Disgraceful.

Yeah should've thought for 10 seconds before tweeting that.

It's still different from Jumbo's consulstants/data analysts betting heaps on Vingegaard for the Granon stage, but whatevs

 

[tobydawq]

Yeah should've thought for 10 seconds before tweeting that.

It's still different from Jumbo's consulstants/data analysts betting heaps on Vingegaard for the Granon stage, but whatevs

Is it illegal? For his dad that is?

 

[Red Rick]

Is it illegal? For his dad that is?

Not strictly sure about the legality, but betting on people you're associated with is a shady area for sure. Some Dutch footballers got into *** based on their friends betting actions.

Now making a very small punt on your son to win hardly constitutes matchfixing

 

[RedheadDane]

Now making a very small punt on your son to win hardly constitutes matchfixing

We don't even know if Tobias knew about it. And even if he did, all he could do was ride as fast as possible, which he probably would have done anyway.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

I'd bet his dad wasn't the only one to bet on their offspring during these championships.
Anyway it was a tiny amount he put on.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Next Dumoulin?

 

[OlavEH]

This was certainly a big suprise. Never thought my compatriot would be up to something like this. Looking forward to seeing him again in a GT and see if he is able to take it to a new level there too.

 

[OlavEH]

Next Dumoulin?

Dumoulin actually had some acceleration and could pack a decent sprint. Not sure about Foss when it comes to that. By what I've seen from him far, he seems like the most typical diesel engine I've seen in top cycling for a long time.

 

[tobydawq]

Not strictly sure about the legality, but betting on people you're associated with is a shady area for sure. Some Dutch footballers got into *** based on their friends betting actions.

Now making a very small punt on your son to win hardly constitutes matchfixing

As long as he didn't bet against him, that was surely be a lot more problematic.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Betting on your friend/relative/whatever to win should never be a problem IMO.

 

[DNP-Old]

Next Dumoulin?

Next Kruijswijk more like.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Next Kruijswijk more like.

Kruijsvikj best ITT result was losing to a pro conti rider

 

[DNP-Old]

Kruijsvikj best ITT result was losing to a pro conti rider

His best ITT is probavly Torrelavega against peak Dennis who would steamroll Innsbruck a few days later. Besides, Kruijswijk rode for an awful team for the majority of his career. Rabojumbo from 2010 - 2020 and Jumbo-Visma today are totally different, with the former being sheer incompetence.

Foss has a top notch organisation and structure behind him, with access to the best bikes and materials, food coaching, training schemes. Kruijswijk did not, yet their ITT results and especially rider profiles are awfully similar, other than today's result.

 

[Red Rick]

Betting on your friend/relative/whatever to win should never be a problem IMO.

You still have access to inside infomation and can even enable an athlete to bet on himself by proxy. You can get a pretty big edge just based on knowledge of form/injury.

It's a pretty basic ethical no go, and very similar to insider trading.

Doesn't mean this case is foul play, but I still find it pretty stupid to do.

 

[Big Doopie]

You still have access to inside infomation and can even enable an athlete to bet on himself by proxy. You can get a pretty big edge just based on knowledge of form/injury.

It's a pretty basic ethical no go, and very similar to insider trading.

betting on yourself to win? you still have to go out there and perform. you cannot tank it, so not unethical. just optimistic, confident.

betting to finish below 5th or something means you can tank it.

betting on someone else to lose might be the result of insider info again, so no good.

don't see any problem at all with betting on yourself to do really well.

 

[RedheadDane]

Honestly, in this case, even if the more expected result had occured - with Ganna winning - and it afterwards had been revealed that Foss' father had actually betted on Ganna, against his own son, I hardly think anyone would have claimed it was matchfixing.

 

[Netserk]

This was certainly a big suprise. Never thought my compatriot would be up to something like this. Looking forward to seeing him again in a GT and see if he is able to take it to a new level there too.

I really thought he'd have a big breakthrough in the Giro this year, and after that I had no expectations for the rest of the season. Cycling is weird.

 

[Netserk]

You still have access to inside infomation and can even enable an athlete to bet on himself by proxy. You can get a pretty big edge just based on knowledge of form/injury.

It's a pretty basic ethical no go, and very similar to insider trading.

Doesn't mean this case is foul play, but I still find it pretty stupid to do.

Insider trading should be allowed though.

 

[Red Rick]

betting on yourself to win? you still have to go out there and perform. you cannot tank it, so not unethical. just optimistic, confident.

betting to finish below 5th or something means you can tank it.

betting on someone else to lose might be the result of insider info again, so no good.

don't see any problem at all with betting on yourself to do really well.

You can tank your own odds by tanking events beforehand. You can bet your own odds when the market thinks you're injured but you know you're completely healthy. You can fake sickness, injury. It is stupid easy to scam people.

 

[Netserk]

You can tank your own odds by tanking events beforehand. You can bet your own odds when the market thinks you're injured but you know you're completely healthy. You can fake sickness, injury. It is stupid easy to scam people.

People deserve to be scammed.

 

[laarsland]

Well done his career up to now all being a ruse to allow his dad to rake in 500 euros today.

 

[nedhill]

I was very impressed by Foss's ride to win the WC ITT.

I think many of us saw how strong he was in the Canadian WT races, but never expected this. Kudos to him and his team. I wish him well in the future.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

New year, new thread title.

Tobias Foss will start his season in Algarve tomorrow. The route should suit him if he's in decent shape. He finished 6th last year, despite the crash he had with Higuíta on Alto da Fóia. Hopefully he'll avoid that this time around.

It seems certain that he will be leaving JV at the end of the year, so results will matter if he wants to get a big contract somewhere else. Uno-X is of course a likely option, but other teams might also be interested.