Kimmage interviews Floyd Landis: Sunday Times + Bombshell NYVC transcript [merged]

[flicker]

One day I will be a greater journalist than Kimmage. He will seek me out for my knowledge, wit, creativity and my darn good Merican roots, sense of values, high moral standard etc.
He may even spit in his hand while attempting to shake my hand(a great show of respect in Kazakestan) but my answer to Paul will be this, you are not worth the chair you are sitting in, you are off my radar, you are a drug cheat, and I don't forgive you, and go ride your bike 100k now, you'll feel better about yourself!
In conclusion, I would tip him on writing. Bullets, bullets, bullets,i.e.

'The wheel of Dharma has crushed Riccos' hemoglobin.'

Here is truth, trusting the fans have the knowledge to catch meaning.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Did they really say this, or did they say that the shorter summary was available in English (which it finally was)? This was never clear to me. If the 600 pages (in Spanish, let alone English) are "available", why do we need to depend on CN to give us a view of it? Available where, to whom?

This is my point - it isn't clear - and the job of journalists is to try to clear up things and sweep away some of the bull**** and PR guff. He's said it's available so if anyone should be able to get hold of a copy it should be CN. They could even ask Dertie's lawyer since they are so pally with him.

Re-reading the quote I am assuming it is the resolution and explanation. But this are the quotes:

"All we can say at the moment is that we've got an extremely solid case. Our dossier is 600 pages long and all of the scientists we've spoken to are convinced that Alberto is innocent. It's going to be a very tough case for them to take on. Of course, we're hoping that they don't."

"The evidence backing up the decision not to ban Contador is available for everyone to see. We have always wanted to inform people about the precise nature of the case and the facts within it," he said. "I think this is the first time that the resolution to a case has been published in this way. We wanted it to be produced in English, which Alberto paid for, because we wanted the facts of the case to be clear to everyone. We've seen things that have been misinterpreted and all we want is to make sure that people have access to accurate information."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contadors-lawyer-weve-got-an-extremely-solid-case

OK. We have a resolution - which is being contested. Most of the information about the resolution is coming from Dertie's PR guys etc. Most of the time CN spends their time reporting what the PR guys say as fact.

Now, I'd have thought that there would be enough independent experts out there who could look at the reasons given - legal, and in terms of the statements made in it.

Is it - as many think - mates looking after one another and the decisions have no legal or scientific basis.

You know, a piece that asks a few difficult questions - and even tries to get a few answers.

Look at the whole PR spiel that Dertie's lawyer is putting out:

Another key piece of evidence which helped to clear Contador was the small amount of Spanish cattle which are tested for Clenbuterol.

"We showed that the testing for Clenbuterol in cattle is not infallible in Europe," Ramos continued. "There is a European Union norm – 96/23/CE, dating from 1996 – which states that only 0.25 per cent of cattle should be tested for Clenbuterol. So 99.75 per cent are not."

Really?

And

"Curiously enough, the owner of the [supplier] one that was most likely to be it is in partnership with [the supplier's] his brother, who was penalised a few years back for using Clenbuterol,"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contadors-lawyer-reveals-defence-strategy

My point is this - Ramos is making lots of claims - none of which are ever followed up, investigated or challenged by the journalists concerned. How hard would it be to phone up the research office of the EU (it has a very good one) and ask them about the testing of cattle and clen in European meat? Or to follow up this tale of the brother of the owner of the supplier was apparently penalised for using clen (when, where, how much).

Sorry, but this is just hacks either being too lazy or too stupid to follow up the 'questionable' parts of these claims.

 

[The Hitch]

It's just Flicker being Flicker. You could easily make an argument that he contributes little other than head-scratching je ne sais quoi, but at least he doesn't attack anyone or cross the lines of good taste. He would probably stay on topic if I could figure out what his topics are. His approach is more 'Peace, Love, and Nonsense'. If we started to moderate Flicker heavily we'd have to take a harder line on a lot of things that are probably best left untouched.

The post was quite funny actually. Id say it added something to the forum.

I mean come on, "slightly less intelliigent than me, slightly less handsome". Its WL style comedy. And the way hes only been banned a handful of times in all his 3000+ posts is impressive too.

 

[the delgados]

Popolo asked about the media's responsibility in the doping mess.

Unless the "media" play a role in making or breaking doping rules in cycling, they have no responsibility whatsoever.

As someone already mentioned, don't expect websites or publications like cyclingnews to undermine their existence by saying it's all a lie. Everyone's gotta make a buck.

Look for the unsavory aspects of the sport from publications that don't rely on bicycle ads for their existence.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

It's just Flicker being Flicker. You could easily make an argument that he contributes little other than head-scratching je ne sais quoi, but at least he doesn't attack anyone or cross the lines of good taste. He would probably stay on topic if I could figure out what his topics are. His approach is more 'Peace, Love, and Nonsense'. If we started to moderate Flicker heavily we'd have to take a harder line on a lot of things that are probably best left untouched.

I don't think there's any need to moderate Flicker. He doesn't seem even remotely like a bad guy. I have him on ignore just because he posts nothing of substance, but I have never seen him attack anyone.

 

[Dallas_]

Cycling needs more like Kimmage

I don't hear anything positive come out of the bitterman Kimmage.
He is very informed on cycling but of course he hates the sport.

"The cancer in this sport. For two years, this sport has been in remission. And now, the cancer's back," Kimmage said in the September 2008 interview.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-kimmage-for-the-soul-of-professional-cycling

As usual, an informed Kimmage hits rhe nail right on the head.
.

 

[usedtobefast]

Kimmage, kind of rhymes with porridge. sorry, that is kind of random i suppose.

 

[Dallas_]

Embargo logic!

when a race report which hinted at a mountain top victory that was a little too remarkable resulted in advertisers pulling out and an embargo by US fans not to use the site.

Having a bit of trouble with your logic. You mention an embargo, yet you, flicker and polish burn the midnight oil on this site!

Have given myself a temporary self imposed embargo of CN. This gives me time to refresh my education with the following web sites.:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16226502/Lance-Armstrong-Doping-History

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1180944/index.htm

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2011/bicileaks-full-armstrong-sca-testimony

http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2011/02/lance-armstrong-investigation-french-to.html

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/507559/armstrong-investigation-arrives-in-europe.html

A time trial from 1994: How is this performance compared to 1999-2005?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9ifX50GytY

 

[Cobblestones]

Hey, Paul, they allow threads like this one, they can't be all bad.

Does he even read the forum?

 

[popolo]

Hey, Paul, they allow threads like this one, they can't be all bad.

Was/is there any deliberation going on regarding this thread?

 

[popolo]

Didnt we discuss this two months ago when the article came out.

Sorry, I was in a CIA detention facility in Syria being "debriefed," from 2006 to last month. No internet access.

 

[Benotti69]

Popolo asked about the media's responsibility in the doping mess.

Unless the "media" play a role in making or breaking doping rules in cycling, they have no responsibility whatsoever.

As someone already mentioned, don't expect websites or publications like cyclingnews to undermine their existence by saying it's all a lie. Everyone's gotta make a buck.

Look for the unsavory aspects of the sport from publications that don't rely on bicycle ads for their existence.

yeah but you dont have to make it off lies, cheating, fraud and sometimes the death of athletes

 

[palmerq]

Didnt we discuss this two months ago when the article came out.

yes I think so :S

 

[Polish]

CN is awesome

One really needs to take any cycling related comments from bitterman Kimmage with a grain of salt - he has a proven track record of not recognizing awesome even if it bites him in the keester.

Chomp.

And the only thing worse than listening to him whine at a press conference is reading some of his cycling writings.

Yikes. Bulwer-Lytton Prize worthy stuff...

The notes blatted skyward as the sun rose over the Canada geese, feathered rumps mooning the day, webbed appendages frantically peddling unseen bicycles in their search for sustenance, driven by Nature's maxim, "Ya wanna eat, ya gotta work," and at last I knew Pittsburgh.

"Through the verdant plains of North Umbria walked Waylon Ogglethorpe and, as he walked, the clouds whispered his name, the birds of the air sang his praises, and the beasts of the fields from smallest to greatest said, 'There goes the most noble among men' – in other words, a typical stroll for a schizophrenic ventriloquist with delusions of grandeur."

It felt strange to be on the inside again; strange and mildly intoxicating. And they were such an interesting and eclectic mix. Lim regaled me for hours with tales of his ancestors in China. Vaughters told a story at dinner one night about a wine auction in New York when he’d found himself bidding, and losing, for a case of vintage Romanee Conti with “this guy who owns Manchester United, Roman Abramovich”.

 

[popolo]

One really needs to take any cycling related comments from bitterman Kimmage with a grain of salt - he has a proven track record of not recognizing awesome even if it bites him in the keester.

Chomp.

And the only thing worse than listening to him whine at a press conference is reading some of his cycling writings.

Yikes. Bulwer-Lytton Prize worthy stuff...

Not kissing the Pharmstrong keester is a denial of awesome?

Will you be visiting Lance in prison?

 

[Digger]

One really needs to take any cycling related comments from bitterman Kimmage with a grain of salt - he has a proven track record of not recognizing awesome even if it bites him in the keester.

Chomp.

And the only thing worse than listening to him whine at a press conference is reading some of his cycling writings.

Yikes. Bulwer-Lytton Prize worthy stuff...

Juat shows how much you know - two of his books have won prizes.
He has won sports interviewer of the year numerous times.

How much more positive do you want?

“Did I believe in Christian Vande Velde? Was I prepared to make the ultimate act of faith? Yes, absolutely…I believed in him because we sat down for two hours one night and he told me about his life. I believed in him because of Vaughters; I believed in him because of Lim; I believed him because of Reichlin and Steffen and Frischkorn and Pate. I believed in him because of Millar. And as an extension of that belief, I was forced to engage with the race.”

 

[MacRoadie]

Not kissing the Pharmstrong keester is a denial of awesome?

Will you be visiting Lance in prison?

Polish will need a valid marriage license before they'll allow a conjugal visit...

 

[Polish]

Not kissing the Pharmstrong keester is a denial of awesome?

Will you be visiting Lance in prison?

Would love to visit Lance in prison, but the restraining order prohibits me getting that close. Will have to cheer him from the side of the road as he drives to prison...

But anyway, Kimmage is a hemorrhoid upon the sport of cycling.
Itchy, burning, and painful.
Especially when sitting in cheap hotel conference room chairs.
The ones that are not worth much to begin with....

 

[popolo]

Would love to visit Lance in prison, but the restraining order prohibits me getting that close. Will have to cheer him from the side of the road as he drives to prison...

But anyway, Kimmage is a hemorrhoid upon the sport of cycling.
Itchy, burning, and painful.
Especially when sitting in cheap hotel conference room chairs.
The ones that are not worth much to begin with....

You got it wrong. Kimmage just pointed out who the cancerous pus filled boil of cycling is.

Don't blame Kimmage for lancing and squeezing it. He's trying his best to remove the infection.

He's trying to save the sport over the objections of the cancer worshippers.

 

[popolo]

Classic

Polish will need a valid marriage license before they'll allow a conjugal visit...

Fortunately California is a progressive state which recognizes all aspects of the human condition.

 

[flicker]

You got it wrong. Kimmage just pointed out who the cancerous pus filled boil of cycling is.

Don't blame Kimmage for lancing and squeezing it. He's trying his best to remove the infection.

He's trying to save the sport over the objections of the cancer worshippers.

We have here, in Monterey The Sea Otter cycling classic, presented by Kenda an SRAM.

We have Kimmage's village presented Bitterman lancing Sue's wen.

Is that an Irish tradition in Bittermans town?

 

[patricknd]

Fortunately California is a progressive state which recognizes all aspects of the human condition.

had some bckwheat pancakes today.

 

[ludwig]

the cycling media have been massively culpable in keeping the omerta safe, which has meant doping gets reported in major non cycling newspapers better than the cycling media.

look at the mess the UCI has made of the sport and constantly not getting pulled up on it.

cycling media,non existant in the true sense of journalism

Cycling media also consistently fails to put doping in its context. By that I mean the code of silence on doping and the testimony of whistleblowers like Manzano, Simeoini, Landis etc.

When newbies to the sport read about doping positives, they get the impression that dopers are a few bad apples, and the quotes in these stories (typically from team managers and members and UCI authorities, expressing their faux outrage) are meant to to bolster these false impressions. Newbies typically believe that there are clean riders and clean teams who are being cheated by the evil dopers, but honest accounts like that of Landis cast doubt on such illusions.

I don't know why Kimmage singles out Cyclingnews because I think Cyclingnews is slightly better than the competition. Certainly better than shamless omerta apologists ProCycling and Velonews. I think what Kimmage probably meant by that is forum discussion about the doping problem. As Landis has now admitted, doping in cycling is not something he alone can fix and trying to fix it is not going to solve his problems.

 

[Benotti69]

Cycling media also consistently fails to put doping in its context. By that I mean the code of silence on doping and the testimony of whistleblowers like Manzano, Simeoini, Landis etc.

When newbies to the sport read about doping positives, they get the impression that dopers are a few bad apples, and the quotes in these stories (typically from team managers and members and UCI authorities, expressing their faux outrage) are meant to to bolster these false impressions. Newbies typically believe that there are clean riders and clean teams who are being cheated by the evil dopers, but honest accounts like that of Landis cast doubt on such illusions.

I don't know why Kimmage singles out Cyclingnews because I think Cyclingnews is slightly better than the competition. Certainly better than shamless omerta apologists ProCycling and Velonews. I think what Kimmage probably meant by that is forum discussion about the doping problem. As Landis has now admitted, doping in cycling is not something he alone can fix and trying to fix it is not going to solve his problems.

when the competition is bottom feeding whatever teams or pr companies feed them it is not very difficult to be 'slightly' above it.

i got the impression that Kimmage was telling Landis to stay away from the clinic as i imagine all the english speaking pros and some of the wives check in here after training

 

[Cobblestones]

when the competition is bottom feeding whatever teams or pr companies feed them it is not very difficult to be 'slightly' above it.

i got the impression that Kimmage was telling Landis to stay away from the clinic as i imagine all the english speaking pros and some of the wives check in here after training

Seeking gynecological advice?