Kristoff

[msjett]

Clearly BMC didn't have enough doping dr's.....or resources where being pumped elsewhere...

 

[zigmeister]

What is concerning is how out of nowhere, a rider will have a dominant Spring season. Can you say Gilbert a few years back.

Then, nothing, flat, NADA, becomes a pack rider....that is suspicious. How their fitness/performance drops so greatly from one season to the next, or magically, every other rider in the peloton has become amazingly better/improved performance in comparison...is the only answer...after doping of course.

 

[gillan1969]

Ah, the Clinic at it's uninformed best.

So what has Kristoff actually done this year?

He came 2nd in Milan-San Remo which he won last year

He won De Panne which he came second in 2013.

He won Flanders which has been 4th and 5th in, in the last two years.

What it so surprising? People who actually watch cycling for more than who they can accuse next have been tipping him as a classics star for a few years now.

I'm struggling to see your point here.

Ostensibly it's a post saying - Kristoffs improvement doesn't =doping, with a bait or two aimed at clinic members thrown in, though you haven't put much effort into them.

But baring in mind the wider views you claim to hold, it's strange.

First of all you challenge the notion that Kristoff improvement has been extreme and thereby dodgy. Ignoring for a sec the fact that few people have said the improvement is on it's own reason to believe he is doping, it's a stupid argument for you to take up because by doing so you are tacitly legitimizing the idea that dodgy performances can be grounds for suspecting other riders.

Which considering the raison detre of the parker account is to defend sky and insult those who doubt them, it's a strange position to take. And you've repeatedly argued that it's (insert every insult imaginable) of people to doubt riders based on performance.
May have been short sighted of you to abandon your alleged principle of - performance can never be suspicious, defense to defend ak from this angle.


Secondly you totally ignore the main point against Kristoff, one that has been made on every page of this thread, -the team he rides for.

So your entering into a losing battle.

The "he won Msr last year" bit is also so weak it's pathetic. It's litterally the equivalent of saying- Armstrong can't have been doping in 2005 because he also won the tour in 2004, therefore 2005 wasn't an improvement on 2004
As if anyone was saying Kristoff didn't dope last year but started this year.

The real highlight though is the last bit where you both try to pass yourself off as an expert while simultaneously deriding clinic posters for being obsessed only with doping.

Not a great argument if it comes from the guy who posts exclusively in the clinic.
And btw, do you actually have a link to yourself predicting Kristoff would be a classics great, or did you just make that up right now in an attempt to pass yourself off as knowledgeable.

I love it that every time that I post something you turn up with your pomposity.

You really feel threatened by me, don't you? More Peter than Christopher aren't you.

(PS Please keep amusing me with your bilharzia theories, which I know are wrong. Friend of friend evidence prior to 2011 Vuelta)

Parker feel free to post your...eh.."friend of friend evidence"...

 

[bjorn]

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As we have seen the last years Norway is producing more and more hi qualty bikers .the experts from the olympic acadamy is used to help the riders to get out their best of them.more doping controls ..... better Norwegian bikers.Doping is no isue in Norway.

Alexander.., is that you?

Nice ride yesterday.

thanks!
kristoff is lucky to come 10 years later than Hushovd. it must be hard to know that every time you come on the podium the gay before you is later being caught in doping. Thats Hushovds Story. if you not see it . the easy way (doping) is not the Norway Way. The focus on hours after hours of low intency training combined with high intency training have been used with the skiers for years. the amount of trayning they need have to be increased year after year to be as good as they can be. there is no easy way doing this without doping. Kristoff is not trained from Katusha . His stepfather is training him . and have doing it from early years. THIS WAY OF TRAINING IS THE FUTURE FOR CYCLIST AS IT HAVE BEEN FOR SKIIERS. They train up to 1200 hours a year.small step every years. and if you are lucky and not get to many ill periods you can get the best out of your body.....

 

[blackcat]

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thanks!
kristoff is lucky to come 10 years later than Hushovd. it must be hard to know that every time you come on the podium the gay before you is later being caught in doping. Thats Hushovds Story. if you not see it . the easy way (doping) is not the Norway Way. The focus on hours after hours of low intency training combined with high intency training have been used with the skiers for years. the amount of trayning they need have to be increased year after year to be as good as they can be. there is no easy way doing this without doping. Kristoff is not trained from Katusha . His stepfather is training him . and have doing it from early years. THIS WAY OF TRAINING IS THE FUTURE FOR CYCLIST AS IT HAVE BEEN FOR SKIIERS. They train up to 1200 hours a year.small step every years. and if you are lucky and not get to many ill periods you can get the best out of your body.....

didnt know thor was gay, thought he got married

 

[Benotti69]

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As we have seen the last years Norway is producing more and more hi qualty bikers .the experts from the olympic acadamy is used to help the riders to get out their best of them.more doping controls ..... better Norwegian bikers.Doping is no isue in Norway.

Alexander.., is that you?

Nice ride yesterday.

thanks!
kristoff is lucky to come 10 years later than Hushovd. it must be hard to know that every time you come on the podium the gay before you is later being caught in doping. Thats Hushovds Story. if you not see it . the easy way (doping) is not the Norway Way. The focus on hours after hours of low intency training combined with high intency training have been used with the skiers for years. the amount of trayning they need have to be increased year after year to be as good as they can be. there is no easy way doing this without doping. Kristoff is not trained from Katusha . His stepfather is training him . and have doing it from early years. THIS WAY OF TRAINING IS THE FUTURE FOR CYCLIST AS IT HAVE BEEN FOR SKIIERS. They train up to 1200 hours a year.small step every years. and if you are lucky and not get to many ill periods you can get the best out of your body.....

Isn't Froome's mother in law training Froome

Can you explain how Kristoff can beat dopers?

 

[hrotha]

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Can you explain how Kristoff can beat dopers?

By being Norwegian. Like try to keep up man.

 

[Lyon]

I for one is happy to see a Norwegian embrace the game of cycling in full instead of only half way, like most others. Now we only need a GT winner to join the Danes and the British in chanting: "About time!"

 

[python]

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I for one is happy to see a Norwegian embrace the game of cycling in full instead of only half way, like most others. Now we only need a GT winner to join the Danes and the British in chanting: "About time!"

nah...a career norwegian cyclist will NEVER win a gt - even on full program - because he supposedly was born with skis

well, unless chaps like roethe or roenning or even sundby ditch their skis and switch full time to cycling. i also believe a fat arse like northug would succeed in neither monuments nor grand tours.

you know, i am only half joking

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

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the easy way (doping) is not the Norway Way. The focus on hours after hours of low intency training combined with high intency training have been used with the skiers for years. the amount of trayning they need have to be increased year after year to be as good as they can be. there is no easy way doing this without doping. Kristoff is not trained from Katusha . His stepfather is training him . and have doing it from early years. THIS WAY OF TRAINING IS THE FUTURE FOR CYCLIST AS IT HAVE BEEN FOR SKIIERS. They train up to 1200 hours a year.small step every years. and if you are lucky and not get to many ill periods you can get the best out of your body.....

Yes, new training methods (high volume, build for several years) that no one else has ever thought of or used before in any other country except Norway. Imagine how many GTs will be dominated by Norwegian riders once they learn to combine this with swimming and pillows.

 

[King Boonen]

I for one welcome our new Norweigian overloads.

 

[May0maniac]

Re: Re:

I for one is happy to see a Norwegian embrace the game of cycling in full instead of only half way, like most others. Now we only need a GT winner to join the Danes and the British in chanting: "About time!"

nah...a career norwegian cyclist will NEVER win a gt - even on full program - because he supposedly was born with skis

well, unless chaps like roethe or roenning or even sundby ditch their skis and switch full time to cycling. i also believe a fat arse like northug would succeed in neither monuments nor grand tours.

you know, i am only half joking

Just try to imagine what they could do in women's cycling

 

[red_flanders]

Re:

I for one welcome our new Norweigian overloads.

 

[bjorn]

Re: Re:

the easy way (doping) is not the Norway Way. The focus on hours after hours of low intency training combined with high intency training have been used with the skiers for years. the amount of trayning they need have to be increased year after year to be as good as they can be. there is no easy way doing this without doping. Kristoff is not trained from Katusha . His stepfather is training him . and have doing it from early years. THIS WAY OF TRAINING IS THE FUTURE FOR CYCLIST AS IT HAVE BEEN FOR SKIIERS. They train up to 1200 hours a year.small step every years. and if you are lucky and not get to many ill periods you can get the best out of your body.....

Yes, new training methods (high volume, build for several years) that no one else has ever thought of or used before in any other country except Norway. Imagine how many GTs will be dominated by Norwegian riders once they learn to combine this with swimming and pillows.

a gt winner from Norway , no i don't think so. but maybe in the future when the dopers are taken from the scene. i know what methods the olympic training centre is using for all the sports were extreme endurance is needed .at only 5,5 mill people living in Norway i think we are doing ok.with the most winning cyclist this year and the hushovd as nearly the only rider representing Norway in a 10 years time. In one or 2 year we will have å lot og god cyclist on the scene and even more mad Norwegians followers....

 

[bjorn]

Re: Re:

I for one is happy to see a Norwegian embrace the game of cycling in full instead of only half way, like most others. Now we only need a GT winner to join the Danes and the British in chanting: "About time!"

nah...a career norwegian cyclist will NEVER win a gt - even on full program - because he supposedly was born with skis

well, unless chaps like roethe or roenning or even sundby ditch their skis and switch full time to cycling. i also believe a fat arse like northug would succeed in neither monuments nor grand tours.

you know, i am only half joking

Just try to imagine what they could do in women's cycling

I want you to see the worlds 50 k this year. .. i was standing on the table and shouting for Northug ... If you have triyed skiing you will understand how hard this sport is. i hope the clinic don't destroy the joy of winning for the clean champs.

 

[bjorn]

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As we have seen the last years Norway is producing more and more hi qualty bikers .the experts from the olympic acadamy is used to help the riders to get out their best of them.more doping controls ..... better Norwegian bikers.Doping is no isue in Norway.

Alexander.., is that you?

Nice ride yesterday.

thanks!
kristoff is lucky to come 10 years later than Hushovd. it must be hard to know that every time you come on the podium the gay before you is later being caught in doping. Thats Hushovds Story. if you not see it . the easy way (doping) is not the Norway Way. The focus on hours after hours of low intency training combined with high intency training have been used with the skiers for years. the amount of trayning they need have to be increased year after year to be as good as they can be. there is no easy way doing this without doping. Kristoff is not trained from Katusha . His stepfather is training him . and have doing it from early years. THIS WAY OF TRAINING IS THE FUTURE FOR CYCLIST AS IT HAVE BEEN FOR SKIIERS. They train up to 1200 hours a year.small step every years. and if you are lucky and not get to many ill periods you can get the best out of your body.....

Isn't Froome's mother in law training Froome

Can you explain how Kristoff can beat dopers?

Yea i can explain that but i don't think you would believe me. but if you think every man are the same from nature i understand your thinking. But if you thing some have special talents for doing sports then .......
i am only a naive Norwegian that love Cycling.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

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Yea i can explain that but i don't think you would believe me. but if you think every man are the same from nature i understand your thinking. But if you thing some have special talents for doing sports then .......
i am only a naive Norwegian that love Cycling.

Perfect. It's our annual edition of "The riders in (INSERT COUNTRY HERE) have superior genetics and train harder than riders from other countries". Hate to break it to you Bjorn, but this has been used so many times before by other forum posters to explain dubious performances from their countrymen, that we're now at a point where we have to ask if there are any countries left that do NOT have superior genetics and riders that have better ethics for hard training and abstaining from banned performance enhancing methods. If everyone claims superior genetics and better training, then it's not really superior or better at all. It's something else. See how that works?

 

[Irondan]

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What is concerning is how out of nowhere, a rider will have a dominant Spring season. Can you say Gilbert a few years back.

Then, nothing, flat, NADA, becomes a pack rider....that is suspicious. How their fitness/performance drops so greatly from one season to the next, or magically, every other rider in the peloton has become amazingly better/improved performance in comparison...is the only answer...after doping of course.

I would hardly call PG a pack rider. He won the WC after 2011, along with GT stages and a monument. Not pack fodder imo, but his 2011 season is suspicious, that much I'll agree with.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The bridge's occupant has returned?

 

[bjorn]

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Yea i can explain that but i don't think you would believe me. but if you think every man are the same from nature i understand your thinking. But if you thing some have special talents for doing sports then .......
i am only a naive Norwegian that love Cycling.

Perfect. It's our annual edition of "The riders in (INSERT COUNTRY HERE) have superior genetics and train harder than riders from other countries". Hate to break it to you Bjorn, but this has been used so many times before by other forum posters to explain dubious performances from their countrymen, that we're now at a point where we have to ask if there are any countries left that do NOT have superior genetics and riders that have better ethics for hard training and abstaining from banned performance enhancing methods. If everyone claims superior genetics and better training, then it's not really superior or better at all. It's something else. See how that works?

Maybe here should be a list over dopers all sports with name and Nations and sports.
Norway have been the best nation in cross country skiing for a decade. i know that there have been taken å lot of doping controls under training and.... correct me if i am wrong not one single skiers have been taken for doping. how could that be. they are best but not one single is taken in doping.do you think that Norweagians are so much better in hiding this than the caught Russians/ or Germans.

 

[Irondan]

Re: Re:

As we have seen the last years Norway is producing more and more hi qualty bikers .the experts from the olympic acadamy is used to help the riders to get out their best of them.more doping controls ..... better Norwegian bikers.Doping is no isue in Norway.

Alexander.., is that you?

Nice ride yesterday.

thanks!
kristoff is lucky to come 10 years later than Hushovd. it must be hard to know that every time you come on the podium the gay before you is later being caught in doping. Thats Hushovds Story. if you not see it . the easy way (doping) is not the Norway Way. The focus on hours after hours of low intency training combined with high intency training have been used with the skiers for years. the amount of trayning they need have to be increased year after year to be as good as they can be. there is no easy way doing this without doping. Kristoff is not trained from Katusha . His stepfather is training him . and have doing it from early years. THIS WAY OF TRAINING IS THE FUTURE FOR CYCLIST AS IT HAVE BEEN FOR SKIIERS. They train up to 1200 hours a year.small step every years. and if you are lucky and not get to many ill periods you can get the best out of your body.....

Isn't Froome's mother in law training Froome

Can you explain how Kristoff can beat dopers?

Apparently the same way Tom Boonen won in 2005. He beat 7 known dopers in the top 10 finishers. The other two riders (Roberto Petito and Leon van Bon) may well have been dirty too, there just isn't anything popping up in a quick google search. I'm not saying Kristoff nor Boonan were doped, but the odds are stacked against them being clean.

 

[Irondan]

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Yea i can explain that but i don't think you would believe me. but if you think every man are the same from nature i understand your thinking. But if you thing some have special talents for doing sports then .......
i am only a naive Norwegian that love Cycling.

Perfect. It's our annual edition of "The riders in (INSERT COUNTRY HERE) have superior genetics and train harder than riders from other countries". Hate to break it to you Bjorn, but this has been used so many times before by other forum posters to explain dubious performances from their countrymen, that we're now at a point where we have to ask if there are any countries left that do NOT have superior genetics and riders that have better ethics for hard training and abstaining from banned performance enhancing methods. If everyone claims superior genetics and better training, then it's not really superior or better at all. It's something else. See how that works?

Maybe here should be a list over dopers all sports with name and Nations and sports.
Norway have been the best nation in cross country skiing for a decade. i know that there have been taken å lot of doping controls under training and.... correct me if i am wrong not one single skiers have been taken for doping. how could that be. they are best but not one single is taken in doping.do you think that Norweagians are so much better in hiding this than the caught Russians/ or Germans.

I believe Norway is on this list
viewtopic.php?p=1621627#p1621627

 

[Saint Unix]

I can't imagine FIS would be too keen on exposing systematic doping amongst the Norwegian skiers, considering the amount of fans from Norway and the repercussions of a Norwegian doping scandal. The most naïve thing any sports fan can do is think that the federations aren't hiding positive tests from the public. We already know that they do. That's a fact. Armstrong and Verbrugghen proved it.

I have no faith in the Norwegian XC team being clean, considering how dominant they've been, and it makes perfect sense that someone with the medal count of Dæhlie, Bjørgen or Northug wouldn't ever get popped. The meltdown would be too big for a small sport like XC skiing, considering the sport is already struggling for viewers in big countries like Germany and Russia. If they lose the Norwegians too, it's pretty much over.

 

[bjorn]

Re: Re:

Yea i can explain that but i don't think you would believe me. but if you think every man are the same from nature i understand your thinking. But if you thing some have special talents for doing sports then .......
i am only a naive Norwegian that love Cycling.

Perfect. It's our annual edition of "The riders in (INSERT COUNTRY HERE) have superior genetics and train harder than riders from other countries". Hate to break it to you Bjorn, but this has been used so many times before by other forum posters to explain dubious performances from their countrymen, that we're now at a point where we have to ask if there are any countries left that do NOT have superior genetics and riders that have better ethics for hard training and abstaining from banned performance enhancing methods. If everyone claims superior genetics and better training, then it's not really superior or better at all. It's something else. See how that works?

Maybe here should be a list over dopers all sports with name and Nations and sports.
Norway have been the best nation in cross country skiing for a decade. i know that there have been taken å lot of doping controls under training and.... correct me if i am wrong not one single skiers have been taken for doping. how could that be. they are best but not one single is taken in doping.do you think that Norweagians are so much better in hiding this than the caught Russians/ or Germans.

I believe Norway is on this list
viewtopic.php?p=1621627#p1621627

i was talking of top performance skiers national team. a sport where the gain from doping is high.not one single one have been busted... for doping. that should not be possible if norways national team is like the other nations that have one or to of their top skiers taken every year.

 

[hrotha]

That means one or two things: either Norwegian skiers have the most advanced programs, or they're protected while their rivals aren't. Simple as.