Lance Armstrong to Race Hawaii Ironman 2011

[Nick777]

As an amatuer with a full time job I used to come very close to the lower end of these figures when I was training for IM. I can see a pro (and I mean a real one, not the guys who have to work a part time job to support their tri career) would be able to pull those numbers during the heavy phase of their training.

Mark Allen = 130k running per week in heavy phase.

 

[Anonymous]

Champ I am offended. You are an idiot. Or maybe you're visiting Idiotville for the day? Don't take it personally but I gave the best time Lance has ever run for the marathon solely, on its own, with preparation (google it). You have just suggested that Lance can match that time after the other two legs. Hint, nobody can match their 'flat out' PB for a singular marathon in an Ironman event. Nobody. A 2:50 marathon leg, not a chance. You can count the number of people on the planet who can do this on one hand. Yes it was a suggestion on your behalf, but a daft one. Your ascertion that Lance won't run a 2:30 marathon...WTF? He's never cracked 2:45 on the marathon alone! The fastest recorded marathon at Kona is 2:35. If you cannot get these basic details right, or worse, are unaware of the details and make absurd claims, why should anyone believe the content and notion of your last paragraph?

Get Crowie and Macca to run just the marathon leg, they will be near 2:20. Lance will drop 30 minutes, so 3:20 would be fantastic given he can put up a 2:50 on the marathon alone. You also spelt MacGyver incorrectly (where I mostly take offense). Please try and get the name of televisions greatest character correct in future. As for his swimming, if he finishes under 1:10 I'll be impressed.

As for the triathlete and cyclist mental approach comment. It boils down to one thing. Cyclists are better dopers. Fact. Hope that enlightened you to the errors in your thinking. As for the running part, Lance's marathon running was giving him shin splints. Running technique is not important if you have very good aerobic capacities, but it helps prevent injuries. Lance struggles in one of these areas. In case anyone wanted to believe that other half truth you placed in your post about 'slower pace'.

Watch out, he cleans toilets in Hollywood and has a union card to prove it. He knows quite well how to spell MacGyver, he is just setting you up to tell you about his vast experience in the movie industry to side step the point that he is wrong about the marathon thing. It is his M.O.

 

[Cloxxki]

Didn't Lance run his first marathon in 3hrs pretty much in the middle of his ex-cyclist beer fan life? He suffered, because he failed to prepare. He later set some better times, but do you think he was taking it as seriously as a TdF appearance.

I seem to have been the only one having read Lance's mention (pre '09 TdF) that he's been swimming more than ever. I can guess he's got a pool by or near every one of his houses, and he isn't the type who spends his day doing nothing typing uselessly long internet posts (like us).

Yes, he started out as a swimmer, and did well. Later tri, which he did better, then road cycling. But be seems to get by in an MTB marathon rac just fine also. Maybe not ready to go beating the world champ (odd he doesn't seem to want to take them on). If he prepares well for Hawaii, he'll do well. I'd be surprised if he'd spend much lower than a solo marathon run. He likely won't attempt a marathon PB until Hawaii, or won't do so in public where he may go "too" hard. So we won't know his true running potential anyway. I bet Lance will be drafting the leaders on the swim, try to demoralize the good runners by riding, well, fast, and then hoping to cruise it home at the end. But, that would imply him winning, and I'd be surprised with that also. But top-10, sure!

I'll bet though, whichever his performance, that a WADA official will find him before and after the race.

 

[krebs303]

For any one interested Ironman live from Kona . right now. Pros just exited the water.
http://www.universalsports.com/mediaPlayer/media.dbml?id=371913&catid=-2&sid

 

[Mellow Velo]

Pardon me, but shouldn't this thread be on another forum?
I assume there are such things as iron man forums.
Since when has swimming and running a long way, had anything to do with pro bike racing?

This thread should be deleted by the moderators, as futuristic spam.

 

[Galic Ho]

My country is Australia, and your horse is pulling your leg
I have no doubt that a pro triathlete's biggest cycling week would go close to that of a pro rider, but not swimmers & runners. No way.

In short..
Swim: 10-12 hours per week
Ride: 400-700k per week
Run: 80-130k per week

In detail
Swim: No more than 30-36kms per week. That would be 5 or 6 sessions per week, 6k or 2 hours per session. Endurance swimmers do 70-80 per week. Hackett used to do about 80.
Ride: Going from some of the guys I know who have done well at Hawaii, they would average about 500 per week. A guy I know has twice been in the top 10 there, and his biggest ever week was 800k - but when he did that, he significantly reduced his normal 90-100k running week. Twice he had a top 5 bike split at Hawaii.
Run: 100-130km, compared to marathon runners 200km. Mark Allen used to max out at 130.

By the way - my money would be on either Alexander or McCormack tomorrow. Macca has been unusually quiet, which normally means he is focused.

Thanks for proving my point. My horse was Macca. He discussed his training load in an interview last year. Admittedly he is one of the best so he will probably train harder than others. Macca made it sound as if he had no time left other than to sleep and bath. My country would be your country.

The swim hours you gave are pretty much what an Olympic swimmer does. Trickett, Rice and co put in 20 hours including 3-4 two hour gym sessions. I have no idea about endurance swimmers, but I wasn't comparing them, I was comparing the workload to an Olympic swimmer. Hackett spent more time training for the Olympic events than the open water stuff, which explains why Ky Hurst made the Olympic event and he didn't. The run figures are right from what Macca said he does. He's said he's topped out at 1100km on the bike. Very few track runners (1500m-10K) and a considerable portion of marathon runners do more than 150km a week. All the studies I've read about suggest more than that is a complete waste of time. It is too dangerous and you don't recover quickly enough. The trade off in distance is not worth the gains as they are almost zero for a runner. Smaller high intensity efforts are far more important. So your figures are right but I guess we differ in opinion on what they equate to other sports in terms of training load. It would come down to athletes in the relative sports.

If Macca doesn't pull out he'll push Crowie. He has to want to finish though.

Didn't Lance run his first marathon in 3hrs pretty much in the middle of his ex-cyclist beer fan life? He suffered, because he failed to prepare. He later set some better times, but do you think he was taking it as seriously as a TdF appearance.

No I don't think he did take it as seriously but he still trained. His better times still only took 10-14 minutes off his initial time. Put it this way his best time still only put him inside the top 300 for the event. Lance is not a natural runner, but he is a natural cyclist. Yeah he may have had a few beers but when you are fit, having a few (6-8 in a drinking session) matters very little, your body burns them off nice and quickly. Lacne failing to prepare? No, he probably under estimated the pain of the marathon, which is fair enough.

I seem to have been the only one having read Lance's mention (pre '09 TdF) that he's been swimming more than ever. I can guess he's got a pool by or near every one of his houses, and he isn't the type who spends his day doing nothing typing uselessly long internet posts (like us).

No he just twitters and reads emails to a video camera. Given the recent water shortages in Austin and Lance's Spanish villa toping the local water consumption for consecutive months (way over the quota) he may have built an inland lake to go with that off-trail MTB/cyclo-cross track he used for TdF training. So he may just swim like a dolphin.

 

[powderpuff]

Champ I am offended. You are an idiot.

A bit harsh I think.

Get Crowie and Macca to run just the marathon leg, they will be near 2:20. Lance will drop 30 minutes, so 3:20 would be fantastic given he can put up a 2:50 on the marathon alone. You also spelt MacGyver incorrectly (where I mostly take offense). Please try and get the name of televisions greatest character correct in future. As for his swimming, if he finishes under 1:10 I'll be impressed.

Mark Allen one of the best ironman competitors ever thought he would be competitive in the marathon(not in tri) considering he was running extreme fast marathons(in a tri) and would make the olympic selection. But his body had adapted so much he almost needed the swim-ride first to perform at his best, so he didn't go anywhere near qualifying for the US Olympic marathon team (gee, who was their last competitive marathon runner?).
Gee 1:10 for the swim, any gumby can swim that time with 12 months training, I couldn't complete a 1500m in under 30 minutes and after 18 months I did 1:06 at Ironman.

Cyclists are better dopers. Fact.

I beg to differ, triathletes are better dopers because fewer get caught. Also the media doesn't give a S%^T if a tri geek gets busted because even less people in the world know who the tri world champion is than those who know who the cycling world champion is.

I hope he doesn't win but he will be competitive.

 

[Galic Ho]

I beg to differ, triathletes are better dopers because fewer get caught. Also the media doesn't give a S%^T if a tri geek gets busted because even less people in the world know who the tri world champion is than those who know who the cycling world champion is.

Didn't know about Mark Allen trying marathons. He was good in his time though. Very good. Acclimatisation to the training. Makes sense, along with over training in triathletes (nasty stuff where the muscles eat themselves).

As for the harsh bit. Runninboy wrote something very stupid. It wasn't personal and I did ask was he just having a off day/moment?

Doping. Not a chance that triathletes are better. Less cash for starters. Reduced team organisation and fewer controls and protocols. Cyclists are collectively more organised and better educated on what is going to get you caught and what works. Cyclists are tested far more these days than any other sport...hence they have to be better at doping in order to compete and not be caught.

 

[Highlander]

On a side note i remember reading about one of the leaders in Hawaii last year
dropping out because his front shifter cable broke on the way back(mostly downhill)?
Ok ya dont have to be MacGiver to figure out you have plenty of range on your rear cog, so you put it in the big ring and go
All the triathletes magazines were pretty suppportive of his dropping out, I could imagine the grief a pro cyclist would get if he made a similar decision.
How many mechanicals do people suffer in Leadville?
I think it shows a difference in attitude between a Pro triathlete mentality and a Pro cyclist.

I don't know the details, but unlike a pro cyclist, he didn't have a support car coming up behind him to fix any mechanical issues. I know that I've had issues in the past where the front shifter has given out and I couldn't get the bike to stay on the big ring for the duration of the ride. Inevitably, it also seems to happen when I forget to bring all the tools with me, so I can fix it usually when I get home, but I'm forced to ride very slowly to do so. That may have been his alternative, so there wasn't much point in continuing the race.

 

[Nick777]

I don't know the details, but unlike a pro cyclist, he didn't have a support car coming up behind him to fix any mechanical issues. I know that I've had issues in the past where the front shifter has given out and I couldn't get the bike to stay on the big ring for the duration of the ride. Inevitably, it also seems to happen when I forget to bring all the tools with me, so I can fix it usually when I get home, but I'm forced to ride very slowly to do so. That may have been his alternative, so there wasn't much point in continuing the race.

It was McCormack, but the problem was, he was stuck in the small chainring, not the big ring.

"I have received hundreds of emails and wellwishes from people and want to thank you all for that. Many people seem to have an understanding of what happened in Kona to my bike, but the basic fact is that I snapped the front derailure cable just before the turn around at Havi on the bike. Unfortunately for me the Tech guys that came to my aid, did not have the gear cable to replace it and after trying to adjust the front derailure with the lining screws to keep me in the big chainring, they stripped the front bolt and I was unable to continue."

 

[Nick777]

Thanks for proving my point.
.

I didn't think I did? Let's go back to your original quote.

"Ironman triathletes, the serious ones, do the equivalent training load of a pro cyclist in terms of mileage and then add to that the training load of an olympic swimmer and a marathon runner."

There is no way that any pro cyclists, Olympic swimmers or marathon runners only do the following mileages. Not the best ones, anyhow.

Swim: 10-12 hours per week
Ride: 400-700k per week
Run: 80-130k per week

10-12 hours swimming per week is less than/just on half of what a distance swimmer would do.
The triathlete may max out at an equivalent week to elite pro riders or marathon runners, but not consistently, all year round.

 

[Boeing]

here we go again.. the Kunts win this thread


another couple dozen....
"he likes lance and doenst know anything about cycling and I don't like lance therefor I know a lot about Cycling"...replies

 

[Ripper]

here we go again.. the Kunts win this thread


another couple dozen....
"he likes lance and doenst know anything about cycling and I don't like lance therefor I know a lot about Cycling"...replies

Well, it could also be "he likes lance and knows a lot about cycling, and I don't like lance and don't know jack about cycling".

Although, to move on with what another poster said - hey, this is a cycling forum, not a tri forum. This needs to be moved over to a tri forum to interupt the discussion of the Ironman results this weekend

 

[Boeing]

redundant......

 

[Ripper]

redundant......

grouchy ....

 

[Boeing]

Individuals with Asperger syndrome may have signs or symptoms that are independent of the diagnosis, but can affect the individual or the family. These include differences in perception and problems with motor skills, sleep, and emotions.

 

[Ferminal]

here we go again.. the Kunts win this thread


another couple dozen....
"he likes lance and doenst know anything about cycling and I don't like lance therefor I know a lot about Cycling"...replies

Excellent contribution, thanks for your input.

 

[Rupert]

Name calling

The usual name-calling is equally (in)appropriate on any thread...

 

[Ripper]

Individuals with Asperger syndrome may have signs or symptoms that are independent of the diagnosis, but can affect the individual or the family. These include differences in perception and problems with motor skills, sleep, and emotions.

You have Asperger's? My apologies for calling you grouchy.

 

[badboyberty]

Pardon me, but shouldn't this thread be on another forum?
I assume there are such things as iron man forums.
Since when has swimming and running a long way, had anything to do with pro bike racing?

This thread should be deleted by the moderators, as futuristic spam.

Can all this talk of grown men riding bikes in speedos stay at slow-twitch, or if it's going to be here at least be moved into a triathlete specific folder.

 

[BroDeal]

Can all this talk of grown men riding bikes in speedos stay at slow-twitch, or if it's going to be here at least be moved into a triathlete specific folder.

Jeebus. It's one freaking thread. If it really needs to be moved then put it in the regular road forum instead of the pro road racing forum.

 

[PACONi]

Jeebus. It's one freaking thread


Begone with your voice of reason, it has no place on the internet!

 

[Boeing]

I don't like Lance so I hope he loses or they don't let him in its not fair he is such and ego and a homo and he did drugs

 

[amp300]

Jeebus. It's one freaking thread. If it really needs to be moved then put it in the regular road forum instead of the pro road racing forum.

Exactly, it is one thread. God forbid one thread about tri's actually keeps getting bumped to the top. Ask a mod to move it to general (or the clinic), if it is bothering some of you that much. Or just don't reply so it won't keep getting pushed to the top.

 

[Boeing]

EEEEEeeewwwWWWW, Lance. Yucky