lance article good read !!

[luigiV]

http://web.me.com/cebiner/Mr._Cedric_Ebiners_Web/Blank.html

"The difference with Lance was he had (italics) to be successful. He


didn't want a career that was average. His attitude was like: ?we need


to step up here; we need to do something.' If you weren't doing this,


you couldn't compete; it was as simple as that. The whole thing bugged


Lance, it eat into him. He wasn't content to be beaten by guys that he


might have been better than. I am sure it was as a result of this that


he began working with Michele Ferrari." Dr. Ferrari was an Italian


cycling doctor with a bad reputation. In 1994 he had said that if used


properly, EPO was no more dangerous than orange juice.

 

[luigiV]

maybee this article has been posted on here let me know if it has cheers

 

[hubbard]

its out of david walsh's hear say bible 'lance to landis'. an interesting read.

 

[SpartacusRox]

maybee this article has been posted on here let me know if it has cheers

I am sure there are guys on here who can quote the whole book verbatim let alone this excerpt.

 

[auscyclefan94]

just finished having a skim/read of it. Interesting stuff!

 

[chas5131]

Interesting that LeMond and his wife think so little of his agreements that his wife would be eavesdropping and taking notes. I question their character.
LeMond has alluded to the "iron" shots he got from his masseur long ago.
LeMond was the guy who would ride himself into shape by riding the tour.??

 

[Race Radio]

Interesting that LeMond and his wife think so little of his agreements that his wife would be eavesdropping and taking notes. I question their character.
/QUOTE]

What agreement?

That conversation was the beginning of Armstrong's obsession with LeMond.

 

[downhilltothegrill]

just finished having a skim/read of it. Interesting stuff!

Please tell me your sig is a joke

 

[scribe]

Please tell me your sig is a joke

It's kind of a joke. (just promise you won't let acf in on it)

 

[BroDeal]

Please tell me your sig is a joke

Nope. ACF and I are part of a crack team of cycling enthusiasts dedicated to spreading cycling news in Australia. ACF is our man in Australia. I report from afar since my fear of giant spiders prevents me from visiting. He broke the Contador story, and I broke the Graham Watson story.

More to come. Watch for ACF and Bro exclusives.

 

[downhilltothegrill]

Nope. ACF and I are part of a crack team of cycling enthusiasts dedicated to spreading cycling news in Australia. ACF is our man in Australia. I report from afar since I my fear of giant spiders prevents me from visiting. He broke the Contador story, and I broke the Graham Watson story.

More to come. Watch for ACF and Bro exclusives.

this is comically sad.

 

[BroDeal]

this is comically sad.

Not as sad as yo momma.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Nope. ACF and I are part of a crack team of cycling enthusiasts dedicated to spreading cycling news in Australia. ACF is our man in Australia. I report from afar since my fear of giant spiders prevents me from visiting. He broke the Contador story, and I broke the Graham Watson story.

More to come. Watch for ACF and Bro exclusives.

Too right!!!!

Please tell me your sig is a joke

No. I texted it in to SEN (an australian sporting radio channel) and because i broke the story i received a voucher to the lobster cave. No joke. No other news source had it before me.

ACF and Bro Inc. had the story before anyone.

 

[Digger]

I am sure there are guys on here who can quote the whole book verbatim let alone this excerpt.

Are you capable of adressing the actual book / excerpt content, without a snide comment? What's in the content that you don't agree with for example?

 

[BroDeal]

Are you capable of adressing the actual book / excerpt content, without a snide comment? What's in the content that you don't agree with for example?

He does not agree with anything that shows Armstrong is a doper. The more truth, the more disagreement.

 

[ChrisE]

Are you capable of adressing the actual book / excerpt content, without a snide comment? What's in the content that you don't agree with for example?

What's confusing about the car conversation is GL says it is impossible for LA to ride faster than him due to his physiology, but yet this was just after his public statement in 2001 about LA being the greatest comeback or greatest fraud in sports.

If that is his take, why wasn't it his take in 99 or 2000? Why the acceptance of LA's feats, despite all of this physical data, prior to him winning his, ahem, 3rd tour?

When was LA's VO2 max public knowledge?

 

[M Sport]

When was LA's VO2 max public knowledge?

About a week or two before the GL LA phone call.

 

[ChrisE]

About a week or two before the GL LA phone call.

Yes, it must have been for all of this to work out. The GL fanboys will be along shortly to set me straight on this and confirm this coincidence.

BTW, what did you order the M sport package on? 335?

 

[Race Radio]

About a week or two before the GL LA phone call.

Wrong,

he had multiple tests done when he was on the national team. If you were involved in cycling the results for all the young national team guys were toss around quite often as they were always promoting the next LeMond.

Eddie B was trying to keep his job so he would hype Armstrong as much as he could. So much the other national Team members started calling him Wonder boy.....and it was not meant as a compliment.

When Eddie would make the claim that he had found the "Next LeMond" the fact that Lance's Vo2 was a fraction of Greg's would be tossed in his face. Funny, after Eddie lost his job his real feelings came out. He was vocal that Lance was a poor choice for the Olympic team as other guys were faster.

 

[ChrisE]

Wrong,

he had multiple tests done when he was on the national team. If....*snip after I got what I wanted*

Swoosh...I hope that didn't mess up your hair when what M sport said flew over.

Since LA's numbers were known in 99 and 2000, care to answer why GL stopped being an LA fanboy and jammed LA with this "impossible" talk on the cell phone due to physiology after LA won his third tour?

Take your time.

 

[Digger]

What's confusing about the car conversation is GL says it is impossible for LA to ride faster than him due to his physiology, but yet this was just after his public statement in 2001 about LA being the greatest comeback or greatest fraud in sports.

If that is his take, why wasn't it his take in 99 or 2000? Why the acceptance of LA's feats, despite all of this physical data, prior to him winning his, ahem, 3rd tour?

When was LA's VO2 max public knowledge?

In the context of only just finding out about Lance's working relationship with Ferrari, which was basically a siren, then I can imagine why he would say that to Lance - he would have started questioning everything. Bearing in mind that another incident took place at this time where Ed Coyle gave a lecture about Lance and instead of answering questions about Lance's physiology and how it was possible to do it clean, it merely underlined how it was not possible. Also, Greg spoke it to Lance and not the mainstream media about the physiology aspect. So you have a numbner of examples which Greg found out about in quick succession - add in Julien De Vriese telling his about systematic doping and you can see that it was a gradual process for Greg.
But of course this does not matter - what matters in your head is that Greg got jealous about the more than three GT issue and that's the only thing that either makes sense or that you want to believe. Yawn.

 

[ChrisE]

In the context of only just finding out about Lance's working relationship with Ferrari, which was basically a siren, then I can imagine why he would say that to Lance - he would have started questioning everything. ...... Yawn.

Zzzzzzzzzz. Yes, yawn.

What matters in your head is turning logic into a pretzel to argue why GL would all of a sudden jam LA with info that was in the public domain for many years, coincidentally right after he won his 3rd TdF. After he was an LA fanboy the first 2 wins. After it was common knowledge within the sport LA was using Ferrari in 96. After we all seem to hold GL in high esteem of being knowledgable of the inner working of the sport, especially when he even claims to know Ferrari's pay scale.

Go back to sleep dig this is out of your wheelhouse. Hopefully the first teamers of the scorched earth/GL fanboy brigade will be here soon.

 

[Digger]

Zzzzzzzzzz. Yes, yawn.

What matters in your head is turning logic into a pretzel to argue why GL would all of a sudden jam LA with info that was in the public domain for many years, coincidentally right after he won his 3rd TdF. After he was an LA fanboy the first 2 wins. After it was common knowledge within the sport LA was using Ferrari in 96. After we all seem to hold GL in high esteem of being knowledgable of the inner working of the sport, especially when he even claims to know Ferrari's pay scale.

Go back to sleep dig this is out of your wheelhouse. Hopefully the first teamers of the scorched earth/GL fanboy brigade will be here soon.

Well firstly it was not common knowledge - some of his team mates did not even know. Why do you think Lance was meeting Ferrari in camper vans if it was common knowledge? Why did you think Julien De Vriese spoke about these secret training camps where Ferrari attended? This was why Lance came out with the bulls*** story about Ferrarri preparing him for the hour record in 2001, because Walsh was breaking hte story about them working together. Walsh only found out because an Italian policeman tipped him off. Walsh only wrote about the Ferrari relationship in the summer of '01. If it was common knowledge, why did he wait? It was only 2001 that greg then found out about Ferrari. It was around then he spoke to Julien De Vriese also and Ed Coyle. Coyle's lecture gave more questions than anwers and was the reason Greg started comparing his own physiology to Lance's, because he knew that what Coyle was saying, did not make sense.


So if you have evidence that it was common knowledge since 96, produce it.

But nothing will change your mind that Greg only spoke because he felt threatened about the three GT.
Have you read this whole book in question? Or are you commenting on something you don't know anything about? Because going by your posts, and the ignorance, you are the typical post '99 fan.

Incidentally, your argument seems to rest soully on the premise that Greg was jealous / threatened by the three GT? If this is the case, that's quite a little fantasy world you got going on there.

 

[ChrisE]

Well firstly it ...blah, blah, cough, shreak, blah, blah,.... you are the typical post '99 fan.

Blah, blah, hiccup, blah, blah, Whaaaah!, snort, fart......

I stumbled upon cycling in early July of 99, so you are off by at least 6 months. You are saying I became a fan somewhere after Jan 1, 2000.

If you can't even get simple facts like that right then why should I engage you in any debate? Sheesh, the nerve of some people trying to troll me.

Again, please sit down until the professional LA hatemongers arrive. Thanks.

 

[Digger]

Marty Jemison - team mate of Lance for years - did not know about Ferrari.....so common knowledge now yes - but provide any evidence whatsoever that it was common knowledge prior to Walsh's article in 2001. Otherwise your whole 'argument' is based on Greg being jealous lol