Lance's Legacy: How Lance Changed Cycling

[Rupert]

Festina?

you forgot systematic team doping, lance has improved that alot, he should really be honoured for that as his greatest achievment.

Festina??? or were they just the first to get caught?

 

[Biffins]

This sort of troll crap should be appended to the end of the standard LA thread.

I'm still confused how is this trolling. I'm quoting the interview.

Ok why don't you go here and download it and watch it yourself.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/510...ovies__Legends_of_the_Tour_de_France__The_rid

 

[Elagabalus]

Biffiins: Would you like to explain to me why you have two accounts, and why I should not ban you permanently and delelte all of your postings?

Susan

Don't do that! This is just getting good!! 300 quatloos on the newcomer!!

 

[Elagabalus]

I'm still confused how is this trolling. I'm quoting the interview.

Ok why don't you go here and download it and watch it yourself.

OK. You get bonus points for not actually paying for any of those videos. Lance doesn't need any more money!

 

[LoveShack]

Just a brief of list of some of the innovations introduced by Lance/Johan that have changed the sport of cycling forever.

1. Recon

2. Wind Tunnel testing

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3. Eating New-Born Babies for HGH effects that light up your pituitary gland like the "Northern f---cking Star".

I have the video to prove it.

http://www.mb7.org/play/141090

I wish Billy would show up and say he is "ok". I miss those vids.

 

[Biffins]

Another Lance interview confirming noone else does Recon

Interview Lance Armstrong, June 2001.

"Well obviously they change the course every year. You know......... they try to... you know, it's interesting how they select the course. They try to make it exciting.... for the public and for television and things like that. If you have a guy who's won a couple of times in a row it's almost as if they try to throw in some curveballs.

Not that it's a bad thing. They try to mix it up so you don't always have the same result every year. Or maybe you don't arrive at the same result the same way. So, like, last year they threw in a Team Time Trial, took out one of the long Time Trials. This year they added an uphill Time Trial. So these are just different .... tweaks, that they've done that is going to make the race look and feel and act different.

Errr........ so every year you have to look at what they've done and say, ok, how do we prepare for that. Last year there was more climbing and less Time Trialling. So what do we do? Well we train more climbs and less Time Trials.

Errr........ this year's hard. It's a hard Tour de France. There are about 5, 6 days, 2 days in the Alps, 3 days in the Pyrenees, where it's........... very hard. So we need to focus on those climbs, focus on that uphill Time Trial........ which I've never really done. Maybe 2 or 3 in my life.

The best thing for us is a hard Tour de France. That's the good news. If they make it easier...... if it was 3 weeks with laps around Paris, we won't win. The fact that it changes and the fact that it's more challenging every year, and it's different every year.......... it's good for us. Because we.... we're willing to do the homework. If they add tricky stages, we're willing to go ahead there and do the recon whereas nobody else does."

 

[Race Radio]

And here's Lance's interview regarding the Reconnaissance training.

Lance Armstrong interview, June 2001

Lance: "I don't know why it started. I'm not sure if it was that we didn't know the climbs or to just do hard training. In the end you end up accomplishing both. You know the courses perfectly and you also end up with 4, 5, 6 days of really hard training. I come out of these things a lot better than I go in. Stronger for the season.

So..... I think originally we just wanted to see the course. And the side effect was good fitness. But you know it's remarkable that nobody does the reconnaissance. But you know in cycling ..... errr...... everyone wants to do their own thing. They would never copy somebody else. So.... it's fine. I understand that."

Interviewer: "So it all becomes tradition"

Lance: "Well it is already tradition for us now. We'll see what the next generation of teams will do"


Lance confirming that none of the other teams do the reconnaissance. Stating that he felt they didn't want to just copy US Postal's training program even though it had been successful since they all wanted to do their own thing and be individual.

He also almost predicted that the next generation would be less likely to hold on to older traditions and adapt to the most successful methods/training, as has happened now.

You seem to like, and believe, everything Lance says.

Here are a few more good Armstrong claims
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=2669

 

[Polish]

Another Lance interview confirming noone else does Recon

Biffin, great job on the recon stuff! Brings back happy memories of awesomeness!!

Do you have any stuff on the importance of diet, weighing with a gram scale etc? I think the current crop of skinny riders and their obsession on body weight links back to Lance.

 

[powerste]

Another Lance interview confirming noone else does Recon

If you really want to prove that LA was the first to do recon, you should quote someone else saying so. Your J-M LeBlanc example was a decent start but following that up with two posts of LA "confirming" the same thing doesn't help your case. Just sayin' . . .

 

[Elagabalus]

3. Eating New-Born Babies for HGH effects that light up your pituitary gland like the "Northern f---cking Star".

I have the video to prove it.

http://www.mb7.org/play/141090

I wish Billy would show up and say he is "ok". I miss those vids.

Do you have the lance and johan after stage 8 one?

 

[eleven]

Conclusion

The impact Lance has had on cycling has been enormous. Enormously negative.

I don't know how you could possibly honestly reach that conclusion. His success and the teams he brought with him has increased the visibility of the sport in almost every corner of the world. Do you think we'd be talking about the Amgen Tour of California if Armstrong hadn't elevated cycling in the US? Do you think sponsorship levels would be as high across the board if Armstrong hadn't entered cycling? Do you think the TdF would be as popular outside of Europe if not for Armstrong? Not a chance.

Financially and globally, he's a gold mine for the sport.

 

[LoveShack]

Do you have the lance and johan after stage 8 one?

No, and I have done every kind of search to find the videos. It looks like one kind soul in Kazakhstan saved one of them and uploaded it to mp7.org as "anonymous" to keep the memory of them alive.

I am frustrated as I had them all in my Internet cache (on a PC, go to Documents and Settings-->"User Name"-->Local Settings-->Temporary Internet Files and then order by size. You can find videos you've watched on YouTube as .flv files and copy them to another directory and save them.), but I cleared my entire cache the day before they were all erased from YouTube. It appears to me they were not uploaded to any other place and Billy has completely disappeared. This is very sad as there was a huge fanbase and I can find tons of references to the videos in many languages (one in a Cycling Forum in the Netherlands that particularly thought they were golden), but they all point to only one source and that is YouTube.

If anyone else has them saved in their cache and can retrieve them and upoad them anonymously somewhere, it would make a lot of people happy. If Billy ever comes back, you were very much appreciated as an artist and many people like me thought they were funny.

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[Race Radio]

I don't know how you could possibly honestly reach that conclusion. His success and the teams he brought with him has increased the visibility of the sport in almost every corner of the world. Do you think we'd be talking about the Amgen Tour of California if Armstrong hadn't elevated cycling in the US? Do you think sponsorship levels would be as high across the board if Armstrong hadn't entered cycling? Do you think the TdF would be as popular outside of Europe if not for Armstrong? Not a chance.

Financially and globally, he's a gold mine for the sport.

Yup, money is the only measurement of success

 

[rata de sentina]

Biffin,

Lance blowing his own trumpet or his cronies doing it for him does not constitute evidence. If you can't come up with anything better then people are going to justifiably assume that is the basis for your assertions. Consequently, they will be entirely justified as dismissing you as either actually foolish in which case the best you will get is to be labelled a dimwitted fanboy and ignored or cynically foolish in order to provoke which is trolling and hence the abuse.

You can take your pick or if you are actually interested you can put a bit more effort in.

 

[pedaling squares]

"Errr........ so every year you have to look at what they've done and say, ok, how do we prepare for that. Last year there was more climbing and less Time Trialling. So what do we do? Well we train more climbs and less Time Trials.

I'll give Armstrong and Bruyneel full credit for this stroke of genius. Think about this for a minute, if you can get your mind around the issue. I had a bloody hard time myself. If the tour has more mountains, you prepare by riding mountains. And if the tour has more time trials, you increase your time trial preparation. Brilliant! Reading the OP I thought other teams were just full of lazy, arrogant Frenchmen too busy preparing their next surrender to prepare for the tour. But in their defence, how could they combat such revolutionary and previously unheard of tactics as these?

 

[pedaling squares]

One thing eludes me. What happened to this brilliant tactical approach to the Tour de France? One would think that these Einsteinesque methods would have seen Team Radiocrap ™ recon the cobbles and thus be able to select the most appropriate wheels and placement of their bikes on the road.

 

[eleven]

Yup, money is the only measurement of success

Well, it's certainly the most important one. Without more capital, cycling doesn't grow. It's what separates a PT team from a bunch of local sags on the evening crit circuit.

Conveniently, you also skipped the global part.

 

[Hugh Januss]

3. Eating New-Born Babies for HGH effects that light up your pituitary gland like the "Northern f---cking Star".

I have the video to prove it.

http://www.mb7.org/play/141090

I wish Billy would show up and say he is "ok". I miss those vids.

By now Billy is either pushing up daisies or retired and set-up somewhere in Arkansas.

 

[LoveShack]

By now Billy is either pushing up daisies or retired and set-up somewhere in Arkansas.

I have the eerie feeling Dr. Ferrari is testing some of his new Performance Enhancement experiments on him. I think Moose showed the "After" picture in another thread. Here is the "Before":

The Passport can't detect "alien" EPO.

Maybe this belongs in the "Ferrari's Legacy: How Michele Changed Cycling" thread?

 

[Tim_sleepless]

Do you not see a slight contradiction between...

What's ordinary about it. It's the Tour de France Director confirming that no other teams except US Postal did a Reconnaissance of the Tour and also confirming that they did a recon of almost the whole course.

and "You know the courses perfectly and you also end up with 4, 5, 6 days of really hard training"

Do you really think that each May Lance and Co would do a training ride up and down the Champs de Eysee for example... perhaps at the end of a 600km day's ride covering 4 stages or so?

 

[Biffins]

I'll give Armstrong and Bruyneel full credit for this stroke of genius. Think about this for a minute, if you can get your mind around the issue. I had a bloody hard time myself. If the tour has more mountains, you prepare by riding mountains. And if the tour has more time trials, you increase your time trial preparation. Brilliant! Reading the OP I thought other teams were just full of lazy, arrogant Frenchmen too busy preparing their next surrender to prepare for the tour. But in their defence, how could they combat such revolutionary and previously unheard of tactics as these?

And what about Jean-Marie Leblanc, Directeur du Tour de France. Is he blowing Lance's trumpet?

 

[Biffins]

Do you not see a slight contradiction between...





and "You know the courses perfectly and you also end up with 4, 5, 6 days of really hard training"

Do you really think that each May Lance and Co would do a training ride up and down the Champs de Eysee for example... perhaps at the end of a 600km day's ride covering 4 stages or so?

Apparently different team members trained for and studied different stages where they had a role to play. In between them all they almost reconned the whole course.

 

[Tim_sleepless]

I can imagine... "hey Chris... this is where you're going to spend 100km towing Lance for him to give up as soon as everyone starts sprinting", "Levi.. just sit on someone's wheel here, here, here, here and here." "Poppo. no drugs this year, so at the bottom of this hilll is where you're going to blow... we'll have Sherwin ready to make his "Popovych goes Pop" joke again." "Klodi.. this is where you're going to spend 200km in the middle of the pack on pancake flat roads through the Bordeaux forest" "Lance, you'll be a bit knackered by the time you get here, so look for something to crash into" "Yani, here's a washed up deadweight, go and drag it over the Tourmalet" "Dmitriy, why are you here again? Go to Paris and practice hanging around wearing black and looking sheepish for a couple of days"

 

[Mellow Velo]

And what about Jean-Marie Leblanc, Directeur du Tour de France. Is he blowing Lance's trumpet?

While JMLB is only one man, his quote can be taken on face value and adds weight to your argument. Chapeau for that one.
The detractors now have 24 hours to come up with a rebuttal: i.e. tentavive proof of any other team reconning for the 2000 or 2001 Tours.

As for the self assertion quotes from Lance, they have no credibilty.
He is the source of the "most tested athlete in the world" fallacy.
Plenty of evidence out there, proving that claim to be positively false.

 

[Archibald]

I'll give Armstrong and Bruyneel full credit for this stroke of genius. Think about this for a minute, if you can get your mind around the issue. I had a bloody hard time myself. If the tour has more mountains, you prepare by riding mountains. And if the tour has more time trials, you increase your time trial preparation. Brilliant! Reading the OP I thought other teams were just full of lazy, arrogant Frenchmen too busy preparing their next surrender to prepare for the tour. But in their defence, how could they combat such revolutionary and previously unheard of tactics as these?

lol

looks like those lazy arrogant frenchmen have proven their tactics to be superior if you look at the number of french stage wins versus radioshack stage wins this year