Lance's season so far: NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

[Mellow Velo]

The new game is called "make the hateboys look stupid"

Lance fakes being fat, slow, old and tanks in races. Come July he smokes everyone and wins buy ten minutes.

Points are scored for every hate boy that that stops using their cyclingnews forums account after the tour de lance.

Quite right.........
.........Except some of us are planning to stop using our cyclingnews forum accounts at the start of July.

 

[les95035]

a couple of years ago when i didn't want to believe that lance was doping i did a little research on the tour podium. this is what i came up with:

out of the 8 other podium finishers from the armstrong era, 6 of them (from what i could find quickly) have been caught out as dopers.

1999: Zulle, doper. Escartin, ???. armstrong winning margin 7+ minutes.

2000: Ulrich, doper. Beloki, doper. armstrong winning maargin 6+ minutes

2001: same podium. armstrong winning margin, 6+ minutes.

2002: Beloki, see bove. Rumsas, doper. armstrong winning margin 7+ minutes.

2003: Ulrich, see above. Vino, doper. winning margin minute.

2004: Kloden, ???. Baso, doper. margin 6+ minutes.

2005: basso, see above. ulrich, see above. winning margin 4+ minutes

of course, there is no way of knowing if these riders were doping during these specific tours, but that is a lot of circumstantial evidence. That he could be so much better than proven dopers is very hard for me to believe.

more interesting circumstantial evidence would be to look at the number of armstrong lieutenants who have since been caught out as dopers.

I remember Lemond saying how he won the tour, and started the next season in better shape than ever, and nobodies were blowing by him. For someone to beat dopers handily year after year, with maybe 2 off days out of 140 race days over 7 yrs. well we're either talking about a genetic freak or......
(paraphrased lemond, but it's the general idea)

 

[red_flanders]

I remember Lemond saying how he won the tour, and started the next season in better shape than ever, and nobodies were blowing by him. For someone to beat dopers handily year after year, with maybe 2 off days out of 140 race days over 7 yrs. well we're either talking about a genetic freak or......
(paraphrased lemond, but it's the general idea)

Yes, it's strange though how his genetic freakishness didn't allow him to beat dopers before he met Dr. Ferrari...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

When it's all said and done, Lance's books will be filed in the fiction section of your local bookstore.

 

[Anonymous]

When it's all said and done, Lance's books will be filed in the fiction section of your local bookstore.

Will signed copies be worth more, or less, after he goes to prison. How does incarceration affect memorabilia prices?

 

[Floyd_MANZANO]

Like I said already, "A world of difference..."

Like I said, folks, "A world of difference..."

Notice how Lance made his big, giant effort for a stage win (which failed miserably) the day before the second rest day. Apparently he radioed Bruyneel during the effort and brayed like a sissy that he felt "very tired" towards the end of the effort. Oh yeah, I'll bet he felt tired!

Lance is riding his last Tour clean, much like Alex Zulle and others.

I believe now, certainly he was doping in 2009. I also believe that the PED methods he was using became much less viable and much more risky in 2010 because of the ongoing tightening of the testing controls and bio-passport system.

Lance you were real good, but you were doped to the gills. You were so good at looking like Mr. Innocent, too, much like Danilo DeLuca.

 

[bridgeman]

I don't know. Do you think if LA doped with anything he wanted this TDF, he would have done much better?

 

[tiger 10]

Mostly Off Topic; with apologies

Will signed copies be worth more, or less, after he goes to prison. How does incarceration affect memorabilia prices?

Your question got me curious so I went trawling around Amazon. Just looking at Amazon prices for Floyd's little tome. (I know he's not incarcerated, but it might provide an indication).
27 new from $1.00
67 used from $0.21
4 collectible from $5.90 [would this mean signed?] http://www.amazon.com/Positively-False-Real-Story-France/dp/1416950230/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279862950&sr=8-21

Actually, I've answered my own question: $100 for a signed copy. I'd like to know how long they've been trying to sell it and who would pay that kind of dough.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1416950230/ref=dp_olp_collectible?ie=UTF8&qid=1279862950&sr=8-21&condition=collectible

Particularly when a LA picture book signed by the great man himself is selling for $119. http://http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1579548911/ref=dp_olp_collectible?ie=UTF8&qid=1279864012&sr=1-11&condition=collectible Or more signed books with prices starting from $150 here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1439173141/ref=dp_olp_collectible?ie=UTF8&qid=1279864012&sr=1-12&condition=collectible

I would imagine that during his reign Lance Armstrong would have signed thousands of bits of memorabilia. Whether or not he goes to jail, if his reputation in the eye of the public is tarnished to the extent that they enmasse try to get rid of whatever they've got, they'd be trying to sell into a rapidly shrinking market and I would think prices would drop like a stone.

Please don't take my idle musings for advice though, particularly if you'd got serious money invested. Actually, would Barry Bonds be an indication? If so, here's some indication of prices from 2006 and an opinion that doping wouldn't affect prices: http://keymancollectibles.com/bondsmemorabilia.htm Here they're having a bit of a sale by the look of it: http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/player/Barry_Bonds (They're also having a sale on LA stuff ) There's also 5 pages of signed stuff for BB for sale on ebay: http://http://sports-cards.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw="barry+bonds"+signed&_sacat=51&_dmpt=US_Baseball&_odkw="barry+bonds"&_osacat=51&bkBtn=&_trksid=m270

On Topic

I'm glad LA has made a comeback when he did. Just reading a few threads around here, his behaviour over the last couple of years where his personality really shone through has turned some welded on fans off him, so it will soften the blow for many people when it finally filters out to the general public that he probably had been very naughty for all those TDF wins. He would have been better off staying at home. LA may not have been the biggest doper in the peloton, but the harm he is doing to his 'legacy' by his behaviour since his comeback certainly proves he is the dopiest dope getting around.

Wonderlance, you are a scream. "... battles his way through the rest of the Full House cast."

 

[flicker]

Quite right.........
.........Except some of us are planning to stop using our cyclingnews forum accounts at the start of July.

Lance did ride fair this tour. Ya think he was PEDelling it?

 

[Benotti69]

Lance did ride fair this tour. Ya think he was PEDelling it?

when he wasn't hurtling down the road on his ar$e, face or elbows?

Do ya think the PED's leaked out of him with all the holes he had all over his body and that is why he is miles behind the leaders

 

[grimsbychris]

Like I said, folks, "A world of difference..."

Notice how Lance made his big, giant effort for a stage win (which failed miserably) the day before the second rest day. Apparently he radioed Bruyneel during the effort and brayed like a sissy that he felt "very tired" towards the end of the effort. Oh yeah, I'll bet he felt tired!

Lance is riding his last Tour clean, much like Alex Zulle and others.

I believe now, certainly he was doping in 2009. I also believe that the PED methods he was using became much less viable and much more risky in 2010 because of the ongoing tightening of the testing controls and bio-passport system.

Lance you were real good, but you were doped to the gills. You were so good at looking like Mr. Innocent, too, much like Danilo DeLuca.

Not a Lance fan but fair play the guy tried and failed to win the stage and for that he deserves some credit. I am impressed he can even ride his bike with all the S**t heading his way!

 

[SpartacusRox]

Not a Lance fan but fair play the guy tried and failed to win the stage and for that he deserves some credit. I am impressed he can even ride his bike with all the S**t heading his way!

Fair play and these forums are mutually exclusive concepts.

 

[nia O'Malley]

I am impressed he can even ride his bike with all the S**t heading his way!

That's the thing......... he can't.

 

[Cloxxki]

Surely Lance will with some IronMan races before he's 40?

Oh shoot, with a WADA life ban that doesn't make much sence.

Betray terminal patients through false hope bsed on lies, and your rights will be terminated permanently.

Life is temporary, being uncovered as a fraud is forever.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Also notice in the Lance years the difference between 1 and 2 were between 4 and 7 sometimes even more, minutes.

Now the difference between Contador and number 7 Rodriguez is 7 minutes... and that includes a cobble stage where Rodriguez lost 1'30 on Contador.

There are no more supercharged riders thus the differences are much smaller

 

[Mach Schnell]

Also notice in the Lance years the difference between 1 and 2 were between 4 and 7 sometimes even more, minutes.

Now the difference between Contador and number 7 Rodriguez is 7 minutes... and that includes a cobble stage where Rodriguez lost 1'30 on Contador.

There are no more supercharged riders thus the differences are much smaller

Or, they are all "supercharged" thus the smaller differences. You can't rule that out.
I think your "facts" a bit off. For instance, Jan was 61 seconds back in '03, and would have won if not for the crash in the TT.
And by the end of this years TDF, there will be a bigger difference than that between 1st and 2nd.
Man, the "Clinic" is like a conspiracy theory forum.

 

[Floyd_MANZANO]

67th in final TT !?!?!

1. I can't accept the suggestion that AGE accounts for this massive turnaround. It may be different for elite cyclists at the top of the sport (doubtful), but myself I'm 40 and easily in better shape than ever and I ride better also. Not only that but I recently hit a max. HR (186) which is my highest ever recorded.

I'll admit with age you have a little less overall "puff", and any lingering effects of previous injuries may be hampering things, something that most riders early in their careers generally don't have to deal with.

2. It is possible that Lance just slacked off and didn't do the right training for this year's Tour, possibly because he quietly knew that the FL brou-ha-ha was gonna erupt and explode the soup all over the kitchen stove.

BUT, Lance is the training "expert". That was why he was so good, because he developed the most obsessive and perfected training methods, right?

All season he tried to claim that his training was going just fine, and even his big supposed rivals like AC said, "Oh, Lance will be in Tour shape, I'm not counting him out...(paraphrase)".

Maybe the mishaps and crashes Lance suffered in 2010 took their toll and cost him his Tour fitness.

I'll agree this could be part of the equation. Well, I sure wish Lance would explain to us all how he went from "hero" to "zero" in one year. And I don't wanna hear him say, "Come on guys, I had a few beers." as an excuse either...

 

[Floyd_MANZANO]

BTW, stupid posters stay away from this *** pleez!

Don't come on my wonderful Lance thread and say filler garbage and statements that reveal an extreme paucity of coherent thoughtfulness.

Just stay away. You know who you are.

 

[Floyd_MANZANO]

67th in final TT !?!?!

Floyd Manzano you rock. Lance will still kick booty in the tour this year.

Umm, no, Lance won't...

 

[Floyd_MANZANO]

A bit strange, eh?

Ivan Basso 145th in final TT??

Cadel Evans 166th ?

Are such strange goings on more evidence of a cleaner sport, or at least Tour de France??

 

[saganftw]

Ivan Basso 145th in final TT??

Cadel Evans 166th ?

Are such strange goings on more evidence of a cleaner sport, or at least Tour de France??

it depends who you dont like

evans and basso horrible TT means they were riding just to finish,nothing to gain nothing to loose pretty much easy day

armstrong horrible TT means he just gave up

 

[ellenbrook2001]

well very simple this year at the tour de france all radio shack rider decided too be clean that why none did performe has usual if lance did has usual well if woukld be there with the best?