Landis = fraud

[rhubroma]

For convenience sake you argue that there are no perfect systems, and so forth, but no Landis has simply allowed the truth to come out.

We aren't talking about perfect systems, but this particular case of Landis spilling the beans. In terms of the so called rules and so called ethical behavior, he has finally let everyone know what really happened and how things really took place. Anything less was supporting the omertà. That's the truth.

That Pantani was fun to watch, is rather besides the point if we are to be intellectually honest.

 

[rhubroma]

the more you win, the more likely you get caught.

Can we really make such a statement with Armstrong's Tour streak, or with Valverde still active?

 

[CPAvelo]

Nice to be surrounded by clairvoyants.

 

[trompe le monde]

Nice to be surrounded by clairvoyants.

See, I knew you would say that.

 

[CPAvelo]

Doesn't the assertion by Floyd that McQuaid is in their back pocket answer that question?

Yep, Landis is just bitter he wasn't admitted to the club.

 

[Squares]

Doesn't the assertion by Floyd that McQuaid is in their back pocket answer that question?

But wasn't Verbruggen in charge back then?

 

[Anonymous]

Lance really has got his interns working full time hasnt he. Can i suggest CN stops all new forum memberships for, i dunno, a week while this goes on.

 

[RhodriM]

Denying doping is the standard procedure in these cases. He was a part of a culture and acting accordingly. What he has said now is unexpected. Nothing personal to gain by saying this and start this storm of ****. That is why you should believe him now.

Is he still denying he took testosterone in 2006?

 

[progressor]

As far as I'm concerned he got Ben Johnsoned - yes he was on s*** like everyone else, but he got done for stuff he wasn't taking. He knew the positive was fraudulent and went hard out to prove it.

What I don't get is why LA etc didn't make more effort to look after him to keep him quiet and the cycling hierarchy blacklisted him. What did they think he'd do? Keep quiet when he'd lost it all and they left him no 2nd chances - unlike so many others? Were his demands to keep quiet that unreasonable?

 

[Ferminal]

As far as I'm concerned he got Ben Johnsoned - yes he was on s*** like everyone else, but he got done for stuff he wasn't taking. He knew the positive was fraudulent and went hard out to prove it.

What I don't get is why LA etc didn't make more effort to look after him to keep him quiet and the cycling hierarchy blacklisted him. What did they think he'd do? Keep quiet when he'd lost it all and they left him no 2nd chances - unlike so many others? Were his demands to keep quiet that unreasonable?

Ego? Public Image?

They should have signed him on to RadioShack, kept him out of everyone's way. It might be a little black mark, but half the world thought Landis was innocent anyway so it might not have mattered.

There's no way Lance would've paid him off if Landis was attempting to blackmail them. You just can't do that and expect the payment to stay quiet forever.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I am not sure what to believe from who nowadays. I do agree that Floyds comments have a lot less credibility when he has lied in court and continually lied throughout his career. Not saying he is lying now though.

Is there any good in the cycling world? Sometimes you wonder...

 

[sars1981]

fun reading at this time

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[Archibald]

can't believe he lied back then? seriously, what did you expect him to do, just say "yeah, you got me... I cheated."
It's like armstrong and brunyeel now - as if they're going to say "yeah, he's right. We've been conning you all for years..." Of course they're all going to deny it...

How much thought do people really make before some of these statements or believing in rider's innocence??

 

[scribe]

fun reading at this time

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2574845226

That's funny!