Lappartient is worse for cycling than Cookson?

[macbindle]

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Sky and Froome have been saying that from the start, and it’s working. At least on those who can’t see past the UK passport.

It's working for their die-hard fans, but the ban will change things. He'll be one more convicted doper, like they gladly claim for Contador, Valverde and others...

I’m not so sure. A Froome ban would likely be seen by the diehards as the French and other nations being vindictive - a fabricated ban to stop UK dominance. Being Australian, we’re very used to their siege mentality when it comes to sport.

You shouldn't try and speak for all Australians. They don't all agree with you.

Here's a quote from an Aussie journalist about Australians attitudes in sport, and their demeanour in general:

"I’ve played a lot of sport in my life and despite never competing at a particularly high level I became well acquainted with the hyper-aggressive Australian male, the one for whom competitiveness and arseholery seem to be mutually inclusive"


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/27/ball-tampering-scandal-could-be-australian-fans-tipping-point

As you can see it's from an article about the Australian cricket cheats.

You should have a read of the rest of the article

 

[ontheroad]

If they actually had any credibility in the first place it is now completely shot. Announcing the decision the week that the tour starts too, it's as if they want to show how big of a farce that professional cycling actually is.

 

[Mayo from Mayo]

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If they actually had any credibility in the first place it is now completely shot. Announcing the decision the week that the tour starts too, it's as if they want to show how big of a farce that professional cycling actually is.

To be fair if WADA say that the rule they drew up for UCI is not sustainable then there is nothing that The UCI can do. It's not only cycling it's all sport.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Announcing the decision at this point definitely destroys their credibility, but as Mayo says, when WADA pulled their support from the case, it became impossible to punish Froome.

 

[hfer07]

UCI is no longer representing the best interest for Professional Bicycling.

UCI is just another corporation seeking their own wealth by selling the sport to the team(s) with the best bidding (i.e US Postal & SKY)

UCI is the cancer of the Sport.

 

[Benotti69]

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UCI is no longer representing the best interest for Professional Bicycling.

UCI is just another corporation seeking their own wealth by selling the sport to the team(s) with the best bidding (i.e US Postal & SKY)

UCI is the cancer of the Sport.

Bingo.

 

[Craigee]

I guess it was on the cards. We all know Froome juiced up to win the Giro and they have obviously turned a blind eye to that so this was mere formality. I won't be watching the Tour de France for the first time in 18 years. What a joke of a sport cycling is.

 

[Robert5091]

So did Froome's case ever get to the judge and the Anti-doping Tribunal, and this,

The UCI hopes that the cycling world can now turn its focus to, and enjoy, the upcoming races on the cycling calendar.

means Lappy was more worried about the TdF in his backyard then sorting out Froome's non-AAF AAF?

 

[Koronin]

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I guess it was on the cards. We all know Froome juiced up to win the Giro and they have obviously turned a blind eye to that so this was mere formality. I won't be watching the Tour de France for the first time in 18 years. What a joke of a sport cycling is.

Exactly. Today we learned without a doubt he can get away with anything. He was definitely doped to win the Giro. He'll be doped to the gills to win the Tour and they'll look the other way.

 

[JosephK]

I think M. Lappy is not worse for cycling than Cookson based solely on the revelation of Froome's AAF at the Vuelta. If Uncle Brian had been re-elected, I expect no one on the outside would ever have known about Dawg's Sal doping. I don't think the item would have been accessible to the papers that blew the whistle -- too locked down from inside the UCI. No leak would have occurred.

Just to be clear, you think the leak came from, or was at least authorised by, the President and that is a good thing?

I have no idea, of course. This is pure speculation, and not worth much one way or the other. I don't think Lappartient was aware of the AAF when it happened, and I don't think he was the leaker. But if Cookson were in charge, I would not expect the AAF to have gotten out. Not saying the leak was good, just saying that it feels like Froome and Sky are not good for cycling -- just a fan's take -- and if the AAF case can help clean up the sport, just a little, then it's a good thing. And if Lappartient's being there facilitated this, even indirectly, I think it is awesome sauce, with gravy. :lol:

Apologies, friends, for my naiveté.

 

[Benotti69]

i dont know why the ASO puts up with UCI.

ASO own enough races to runs its own season. All WT teams would leave UCI in a heartbeat, a PED heartbeat!

It could even do away with testing. It could end motors too, with a parc ferme system and only allow wheel changes, no bike changes.

20 Top races a season including 2 GTs. Not too many pros race more than that nowadays.

 

[thehog]

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i dont know why the ASO puts up with UCI.

ASO own enough races to runs its own season. All WT teams would leave UCI in a heartbeat, a PED heartbeat!

It could even do away with testing. It could end motors too, with a parc ferme system and only allow wheel changes, no bike changes.

20 Top races a season including 2 GTs. Not too many pros race more than that nowadays.

I’d say this time around it was WADA. The UCI an ASO were prepared to ban Froome but WADA moved the goalposts and the UCI had to follow. Sad state of affairs.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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i dont know why the ASO puts up with UCI.

ASO own enough races to runs its own season. All WT teams would leave UCI in a heartbeat, a PED heartbeat!

It could even do away with testing. It could end motors too, with a parc ferme system and only allow wheel changes, no bike changes.

20 Top races a season including 2 GTs. Not too many pros race more than that nowadays.

Large parts of the Amuary empire are dependent upon the Olympic movement for revenue. The IOC was why they settled the ProTour Wars, the IOC is why secession is a fantasy.

20 races in a season will not support a broad base lower down the sport. The sport withers and dies. This is how Americans killed professional cycling as a sport in the US.

 

[samhocking]

Lappartients, manifesto for credibility for his Presidency back in June 2017

""I will be relentless when it comes to guaranteeing the credibility and accuracy of race results! We must be unshakable when dealing with technological fraud, doping or the potential manipulation of results related to sports betting. It is the mission of the UCI to guarantee these core values. I will be strongly committed to my role as your leader and will make the changes we need in cycling."

Comments after Froomes 'case' July 2018:

"Please don't lose faith in cycling"
"Froome won because he had more money than others"
"Sky have more resources, so win races"
"There's nothing I can do about it, that's the way the world is"

 

[ontheroad]

Indeed Lappartient has shown how limp the UCI is in taking on a multi national corporation like Sky. The tail is firmly wagging the dog as Brailsford's 'who do you think you are' comments slagging him off have indicated. The UCI and WADA have been well and truly shown up for the impotent organisations that they are. They are more concerned with PR and giving the appearance of being clean.

He also promised more extensive testing for motors, will be interesting to see how that is coming along.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Cookson promised a minimum wage for women in his manifesto but then nixed the plan when he right-hand woman, chief cheerleader, and would-be successor Tracey Gaudry said no. Now Lappartient - who before his election was presented as the worst thing that could happen to women's cycling - is pressing ahead with plans to force the top teams to pay their riders. Minimum prize money and appearance fees are also set to increase. Deets.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Lappartient is also pressing ahead with yet more reforms to the WorldTour, one of which could see the number of teams cut to 15. Under Cookson's reforms, it was agreed that the number of teams would fall to 16.

CN are to be applauded for the even-handed manner in which they reproduced Velon's press release:

The new WorldTour proposals do not appear to improve the long-term business model of professional cycling, with the changes weakening the influence of the teams rather than generating new revenue. The reforms are part of wider, long-running power struggle between the teams - that rely solely on sponsorship, Tour de France organiser ASO - who has always defended their business interests and television income, and the slow-moving bureaucrats of the UCI.

WRT number of teams, as that CN article seems to have forgotten the agreed rule change, here's the amended rule:

2.15.009 Application for a licence

The maximum number of UCI WorldTour licences that may be issued is 18 as from 2017 but may be reduced to 16, as further detailed below.

In case of dissolution or termination of activity of one or more UCI WorldTeams at the end of a season, the maximum number of UCI WorldTour licences shall be reduced by the number of UCI WorldTeams ending in this manner, provided that the maximum number of UCI WorldTour licences shall remain at least 16. New UCI WorldTour licences may be issued in the event that less than 16 UCI WorldTeams are granted UCI WorldTeam status for the following season, subject to a maximum of 16 UCI WorldTour licences.

As from the first season with 16 UCI WorldTeams, the maximum number of UCI WorldTeams shall indefinitely remain at 16.

 

[IndianCyclist]

I have to agree with the 6 rider teams as that will really open up the racing
only Bernal saved Sky in the mountains this time even with 8 riders

 

[samhocking]

Lappartient is definitely using small town mayor thinking though. He shouldn't be thinking of things in terms of making teams smaller, with less money all round, to make Tour de France more unpredictable, he should be thinking big and asking himself what can I do that would enable several of the top teams to attract sponsors willing to pay for riders like Kwiato and Bernal.

 

[poupou]

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Lappartient is definitely using small town mayor thinking though. He shouldn't be thinking of things in terms of making teams smaller, with less money all round, to make Tour de France more unpredictable, he should be thinking big and asking himself what can I do that would enable several of the top teams to attract sponsors willing to pay for riders like Kwiato and Bernal.

Maybe remove doping test like other sports?

 

[samhocking]

The others will have no chance if you remove doping control!

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Lappartient is definitely using small town mayor thinking though. He shouldn't be thinking of things in terms of making teams smaller, with less money all round, to make Tour de France more unpredictable, he should be thinking big and asking himself what can I do that would enable several of the top teams to attract sponsors willing to pay for riders like Kwiato and Bernal.

So a volte-face on your normal argument that the size of Sky's budget is not an issue? Quelle surprise...you really do just make it up as you go along, don't you?

 

[fmk_RoI]

This from Lappartient on the way ASO played the disrepute card is pretty stunning:

"When the ASO announced its intention not to allow Chris Froome to participate in the Tour, it knew that we were preparing to announce our verdict, because we had informed them but they did it anyway," Lappartient revealed.

"We'll never know if it was a fortuitous or intentional manoeuvre, but it put us in difficulty because the UCI was considered the villain because we cleared a rider that a race organizer wanted to exclude."

Not only did ASO know, from the Valverde decision, that the disrepute card wouldn't withstand CAS, they also knew there was no need to play it as the case against Froome was about to be dropped.

I'll still call it a PR victory for ASO - it looked then and will continue to look like they showed leadership, tried to do something when everyone else was doing nothing - but it's not something anyone should applaud.

 

[IndianCyclist]

It is called "Hey i am going to save my butt but you will get egg on your face" tactic.
Which is why Cycling cannot be great again.

 

[thehog]

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It is called "Hey i am going to save my butt but you will get egg on your face" tactic.
Which is why Cycling cannot be great again.

Well, Cookson left a legacy that no one tests positive anymore. Lappartient did try to reign in Froome to get pushed back by WADA. He now has to try alternate methods.