Le Tour de France 2011 STAGE 8 - Aigurande-Super-Besse Sancy 189 km

[kjetilraknerud]

How on earth can you say Gilbert will collect less points than Rojas and Hushovd tomorrow? Have you seen the profile?

 

[jens_attacks]

vino for the win.or alberto.

 

[stetre76]

Kjetill:
i simply think that the climbs a just a bit too long for Gilbert

I guess we'll see tomorrow!

 

[Angliru]

Evans is a diesel , but a power climb it is maybe Evans is best described a Power diesel

Maybe a turbo diesel would be more accurate.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

Too long for Gilbert, but not for Rojas and Hushovd? Interesting theory...

 

[kurtinsc]

Too long for Gilbert, but not for Rojas and Hushovd? Interesting theory...

More then likely they'll all make it to the intermediate sprint, where Gilbert will be behind Rojas and Hushovd.

None of them will make the final sprint (he thinks).

So it's not really a wild prediction that he'll have less points.

 

[Angliru]

I think Evans' bonk on the Passo Coe was one of the most epic in world cycling. He lost 17 minutes on the final climb

Back on topic, I think Evans could take the stage and yellow. The next stage is perfect to give it away. I might remind people that if Evans takes yellow tommorow, the last 4 grand tours he has contested he has taken the leaders jersey in and 6 leaders jerseys in total. Pretty impressive.

Not to pee on your parade, but what's really impressive is wearing it at the END of the event, not necessarily in the early stages.

 

[luckyboy]

More then likely they'll all make it to the intermediate sprint, where Gilbert will be behind Rojas and Hushovd.

None of them will make the final sprint (he thinks).

So it's not really a wild prediction that he'll have less points.

But he could get 40 from the finish + say 13 or something from the intermediate. Rojas + Hushovd, etc will get 20 max.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I too see AC doing all he can go gain time on anyone here, though I don't think he'll win the stage.

We could actually see some sort of break that stays away.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

But he could get 40 from the finish + say 13 or something from the intermediate. Rojas + Hushovd, etc will get 20 max.

Excactly. And Hushovd probably won't bother with the intermediate.

 

[kurtinsc]

But he could get 40 from the finish + say 13 or something from the intermediate. Rojas + Hushovd, etc will get 20 max.

He was saying he doesn't think Gilbert will make the finale... that it's too long for him.

If that's true, then Hushovd and Rojas will likely get more points.

I'm not saying I think it's true... but it's not an illogical belief.

 

[just some guy]

anyway .......

Meteo

A new escalation occupies this stage. In the morning the weather is very cloudy, the sky is chaotic and delivers showers, sometimes stormy. This stormy situation continues for the day stage. Summits are hung on by clouds. These showers can be moderated locally and firm. The conditions on the road will be bad, the rainy accumulations which can be rather important, of the order of some millimeters. A relative improvement is expected in the evening with more and more spaced out rains and sky which gets free slowly. However the situation remains perturbed during all night and until the next day. Winds : South-West wind from 10 to 20 kph with possible gusts under thunderstorms. Temperatures : Minimal: 12 to 14 degrees. 18°C on the departure. 14°C on the col de la croix 15°C on arrival. Maximal: 19 to 21 degrees.

 

[kurtinsc]

But he could get 40 from the finish + say 13 or something from the intermediate. Rojas + Hushovd, etc will get 20 max.

Oh, and as it's a "medium mountain" stage, only 30 points for first are available at the finish instead of 45.

30, 25, 22, 19, and on down.

High mountain finishes and the ITT count the same as the intermediate sprints for points.

 

[luckyboy]

Oh yeah. Still think he will get more points from the finish + sprint though.

He was saying he doesn't think Gilbert will make the finale... that it's too long for him.

If that's true, then Hushovd and Rojas will likely get more points.

I'm not saying I think it's true... but it's not an illogical belief.

I can't see him being dropped anywhere. The cat 2 is too far out for GC riders to attack. I can't see someone going on the 3.5km at 5%, just a thinning out of the group. This climb is only 200m longer than Mur de Huy, and less steep.

I predict that he will be up there.

 

[kurtinsc]

Oh yeah. Still think he will get more points from the finish + sprint though.



I can't see him being dropped anywhere. The cat 2 is too far out for GC riders to attack. I can't see someone going on the 3.5km at 5%, just a thinning out of the group. This climb is only 200m longer than Mur de Huy, and less steep.

I predict that he will be up there.

I tend to agree assuming there is a break up the road for the intermediate sprint.

If there isn't... it could be close. Gilbert was 5th on stage 4 and this looks harder. If he's only around 9th or 10th, that's just 7-9 points.

 

[Shardi]

in the points battle, gilbert should stay with the top tier to the finish, 2nd cat is idd too far out to have a go and hushovd/rojas will struggle to stay with the best n definitely not gain points on him.

Have a feeling the schlecks will not be caught out in a bad position, but rather be in a good pos when they hit the super-besse.

Some ppl testing their legs on the short and intense pitches with the usual suspects raising the tempo at the end, battling for the stage (evans, gilbert, contador, jvdb).




.... Unless a break would somehow manage to stay clear

 

[Sibirn]

my guess for tomorrow - Evans will get the yellow jersey, even though he might not want it. but i think tomorrow's stage is just a bit too hard for Hushovd to keep it.

for the stage - Evans, Klöden, AC in the top 5 (except the let a brakaway go). Uran Uran could also be somewhere in the top 10. Van den Broeck and Fuglsang might surprise


even more interesting (for me) than the "fight" for yellow is the fight for the green jersey.

Rojas has it again after today's stage, Hushovd is 37pts down.
Gilbert is not going to make any points tomorrow (or less than Rojas and Hushovd), Rojas can do well even uphill, so can Hushovd.
Sunday is also a pretty interesing stage fconcerning the green jersey.

LOOOL @ that statement

 

[Cimber]

Ouch that weather looks bad. Sadly that could mean that the bad crash-streak will continue. WOuld be sry to see that.

The Schlecks hate rain so will be interesting to see how they cope.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

The stage is not nearly as hard as 2008 tho

2008

This year

More like MINI Besse than Super-Besse

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I'd say Sub-Besse.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

.... Unless a break would somehow manage to stay clear

Seems pretty likely really, Garmin certainly won't be riding today and there will be plenty of quality guys trying to get in the break today rather than the usual ragbag of no-hopers.

 

[b.broadhurst]

Definitely Contador's stage, he will test the legs again!! 1.5km at 7.5%, get back 10/15 seconds!!

 

[Peccio89]

is this one the same finish in which the Cobra won in 2008, or they do another route up to super-besse?

 

[b.broadhurst]

is this one the same finish in which the Cobra won in 2008, or they do another route up to super-besse?

Different route towards super besse, but same climb and shorter than 2008!!

 

[Cimber]

is this one the same finish in which the Cobra won in 2008, or they do another route up to super-besse?

the 2008 was much tougher. Look at last page, reply #69 for a profile comparison