Le Tour de France 2011 STAGE 8 - Aigurande-Super-Besse Sancy 189 km

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May 27, 2010
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Duartista said:
Not really. If we leave the top 2 aside, he is 2.30 down on Evans and 1.30 on Basso. Evans could lose that in one mountain stage, whilst Basso is a pretty awful time trialist since returning from his ban. So 3rd is still a realistic aim for Sanchez.

VDB2 and frankie might be tough to beat too.
there are certainly very little contenders in the gc now after a crash filled weak
evans
schlecks
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basso
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Jun 22, 2009
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Parrulo said:
lol at people saying that TJVG was stronger then rui and didn't won because ruo rode smarter . . . . lololololol

this.

tbh I thought rui would win, he is a very good rider, have been waiting for him to really hit the scene.

thrilled for him and movistar :)

I think tjvg is overrated. just my opinion.
 
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Midnightfright said:
Well it don't think wishing someone to crash out puts u in a good position to name call.

hes contadors best opposition. what did you expect from el pistolero?;)
 
Jun 22, 2009
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Midnightfright said:
I have say I totally agree with u. Andy is only worried about Contador rightly or wrongly, it also seemed to me that AC was a lot more concerned with Andy then anyone else every time he turned rounded he was specifically looking at AS that's how it seemed to me anyway

indeed.

although he did feel the need to react to cadel.
 
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Moviefan1203 said:
Just what was so bad about what he said? At the moment, Cadel certainly appears stronger than Alberto. Andy seems to be right.

Cuddles is always good on hills like this(yes, this is a hill). He'll totally fade in the mountains as usual. Otherwise you might as well say Gilbert is going to win the Tour.
 
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I don´t get - Andy can now ITT.

If we look at the last race pre- tour Andy was horrid

Andy would need 1.30 to 2 min on an inform Evans - the question remains how deep Evans will go in the Mountains to keep up with Andy.

Where Does Contador end up and VDB2.

The Podium as I see it is a race in 4

Andy it´s his to lose - I hope he tries to get Fränk on the Podium then they might both lose

Contador - how tired is he ?

VDB2 - can he ride with no team and get ahead of the other 3 for the ITT - better ITT rider than Andy but nerves etc

Evans - Will he go deep and explode or ride smart ?
 
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Stingray34 said:
Evans looks pretty strong for mine; he would normally follow a wheel with a pained expression as Conti, Schleck the Younger et al glide over the line. Now, it's the other way around.

Hincapie or Och must have put him in touch with someone...

Stupid comment on this thread, for the first time he is on good team who are all supporting he has dedicated racing / training program & he has been world champion.
 
Jun 16, 2009
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roundabout said:
Cut BMC some slack. They tried to win the stage but couldn't close the last bit of the gap. It happens.
Yeah I guess, the teams goal is to support Evans' ambition to win the Tour. Stages are only a bonus. The descent down to the final climb didn't lend itself to a chase.
Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
this.

tbh I thought rui would win, he is a very good rider, have been waiting for him to really hit the scene.

thrilled for him and movistar :)

I think tjvg is overrated. just my opinion.

true but TJVG seemed to be attacking and riding too much on the front in the break. Showed his cards too early.
 

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Couple of thoughts:

- It's too early to count Gesink out. The really big stages aren't for a few days and I think he will be mostly recovered by then. The people who are saying "drop out" when he's only like 1-3 minutes off the lead are crazy.

- It's also too early to count Contador out. Historically, he usually is not in the lead in the early mountains. He usually really goes out for the win on the big mountains, so wait until then. He didn't look like the Contador of usual, but I still think it's too early to judge him too.

- I really am becoming a fan of these hilly stages. It's cool to see alot of guys going for it, whereas in the mountains, you know only a few have a shot.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Cuddles is always good on hills like this(yes, this is a hill). He'll totally fade in the mountains as usual. Otherwise you might as well say Gilbert is going to win the Tour.

isnt gilbert gonna win the tour and everything else he enters;)
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Yeah I guess, the teams goal is to support Evans' ambition to win the Tour. Stages are only a bonus. The descent down to the final climb didn't lend itself to a chase.


true but TJVG seemed to be attacking and riding too much on the front in the break. Showed his cards too early.

they all did tho, a testament to rui taht he still won.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
true but TJVG seemed to be attacking and riding too much on the front in the break. Showed his cards too early.

he still was never able to drop costa and costa always closed to those attacks and even attacked at least 3 times himself and then put more then 2 minutes into TJVG on the last climb. losing that much time on the last time is not something the "strongest" guy in the break would do attacking previously or not. tbh i thought TJVG was a better climber then that.
 
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luckyboy said:
lol he's going to need more than 30 seconds on Evans on a 42.5km TT


Ok, lets compare Andy, Evans and Conta in 2009 and 2010 TDF last ITT.

in 2010

35 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0:05:43
44 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:06:14
166 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:10:57

You can see that Conta only won Andy with 31 seconds.

in 2009

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0:48:31
12 Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto 0:01:14
21 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:01:44

In 2009 Andy lost 30 seconds to Evans and 1:44 to Conta.

Like i've said in few last posts Andy have improved his ITT position alot in the last winter. And other thing i've said Andy probably loose 90 to Evans in 42km ITT if they were both totally fresh but 2 weeks in the mountains changes alot. Andy is known to be great recover and its even fysiological thing. 34-old rider wont recover as fast as 26-year therefore Andy wont loose more than 30 seconds to Evans in the last ITT.
 
Parrulo said:
he still was never able to drop costa and costa always closed to those attacks and even attacked at least 3 times himself and then put more then 2 minutes into TJVG on the last climb. losing that much time on the last time is not something the "strongest" guy in the break would do attacking previously or not. tbh i thought TJVG was a better climber then that.

Once Tejay saw he wasn't going to win the stage he tempo rode the rest of the way, but Costa was stronger on the final climb. He's also three years older, I honestly think they both have bright futures.
 
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furcah said:
Ok, lets compare Andy, Evans and Conta in 2009 and 2010 TDF last ITT.

in 2010

35 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0:05:43
44 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:06:14
166 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:10:57

You can see that Conta only won Andy with 31 seconds.

in 2009

1 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 0:48:31
12 Cadel Evans (Aus) Silence - Lotto 0:01:14
21 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team Saxo Bank 0:01:44

In 2009 Andy lost 30 seconds to Evans and 1:44 to Conta.

Like i've said in few last posts Andy have improved his ITT position alot in the last winter. And other thing i've said Andy probably loose 90 to Evans in 42km ITT if they were both totally fresh but 2 weeks in the mountains changes alot. Andy is known to be great recover and its even fysiological thing. 34-old rider wont recover as fast as 26-year therefore Andy wont loose more than 30 seconds to Evans in the last ITT.
You are comparing Annecy and the Bordeaux TT's to show that Schleck won't lose 30 seconds to Evans? really?
 
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being where i am on the planet, i woke up to see Vino attacking and got excited.

and i didn't know Rui Costa but he's on Movistar so that is cool he won, remembering the Tondo accident :(

congrats to Rui Costa and Movistar!

now watching the stage. wondering what happened to my cowboy Tejay ;)

i am relatively new to watching cycling but didn't expect Evans to be in yellow. couldn't understand how that would be smart for Evans and BMC to be in yellow so early. same goes for other GC contenders.

Thor in yellow is what i expected! hey maybe i'm ready to start predicitng, lol
 
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I think that Contador showed good form on stage 4. He rode at the front and almost won the stage. He showed that he is strong.

The stage 5 crash may have caused more damage than he is letting on. That is what it looked like to me. He was definitely favoring one side. Does anybody know about his injuries?
 
Despite admiring his style in the Giro I'm still firmly on the Contador hater side, but I think it's ridiculous to write his obituary just yet. How about waiting until the actual mountains to check his legs. Does anyone doubt he could have taken 10 minutes or more in the Giro if he wanted? Contador unleashed is out of this world, I think some people here will get a big surprise next week.