LeMond and Trek Settle

[Digger]

Like Father like son, so the saying goes.

Words cannot describe the contempt I have for your comments on Lemond and his son. It was a nasty, vile thing to come out with, yet it also shows that I;m glad you're a Lance fan. Clearly you see something in him you like and emapthise with.

 

[Digger]

It is time for LeMond to get reinvolved in racing. Good PR for him, his 1+6 foundation and to flush some bad blood and transfuse some of Gregs good blood back into cycling!

And when he did attempt to go back to the Tour de france, he was told by Patrice Clerc just how corrupt things were. Greg has quite rightly washed his hands because he has seen that the authorities have no desire to clean the sport. If it wasn't for the AFLD, God help us.

 

[Digger]

It's hysterical the number of people here that seem to have paranoid conspiracy delusions about the Power Of Lance (add echo effect here).

I spent five minutes googling and skimming a couple of articles, and the judges decision on motions from december. And suddenly people accuse me of being some kind of insider spreading propaganda.

For one thing, it underscores the degree to which people just sit around on these forums talking out of their asses. I mean, the amount of research I did was pretty inadequate, and I'd plead guilty to talking out of my ***. But the fact that my level of "research" makes it look like I have insider info is just ludicrous.

If you want to know where my heart lies, I dislike Lance, because he's arrogant and controlling. And I dislike Greg even more, because he's arrogant and manipulative. Maybe I dislike him more, because I've had more time to develop a dislike to him, and Lance is just catching up. What is it about winning the TdF anyway?

But regardless of my dislike, I even more dislike when people misrepresent the facts. If someone had said that Greg invented some bull**** story about Trek stealing Lemond bike profits just so he could smear Trek, that'd also be a ridiculous spin on the facts, and I'd speak out about that too.

Examples.....

 

[Digger]

That's laughable. From the charity's perspective, it may be a big sum, but for Trek, it probably amounts to a rounding error. Big is Bill and Melinda's pledged of 10 Billion for vaccines. I wander what type of tax benefit was garnered by Trek, or possibly even LeMond, through this donation.



Let's see, the underlying issue is a contract breach in a business relationship. Two possible remedies exist to make whole the injured party, forced compliance or monetary damages. Forced compliance would have the court babysitting the contract until expiration. Based upon the nature of their relationship, the judge would have had to be a live-in babysitter. So, the only viable remedy was monetary damages. So yeah, it was about the money.

Now, if you consider 200K a "big sum", then yeah, he made out well, as he probably got more than that. However, if you look at the merits, his bike line was not that successful, so actual damages would not have been more than a couple million. As for damage to his reputation, I think he did himself in by interjecting himself into the Landis affair. So, I don't think he would have gotten a great deal from that. So, I don't think he would have gotten more than 3M from a jury trial. He's probably earned more than in a years, some years.



The issue of tortious interference is, if I understand correctly, directed against Armstrong, not Trek. So, it looks as if Trek threw Armstrong under the bus on this one. Maybe deservedly so.

Yeah how dare he tell the truth about a conversation....heaven forbid he might want to be proactive and clean up the sport. Bill?

 

[BigBoat]

Am disappointed for my own selfish reasons. Would've loved to see Trek's dirty tricks out in the open. I accept that it was never going to come, but a public apology would also have been nice. Yeah, Greg has gone through hell, but this to me does not seem like the right resolution for him. Trek have gotten away lightly in my view - even allowing for the private settlement part which is no doubt very big. But if Greg is happy, I'm glad for the guy.

Yeah....I agree. While es ist "nice" to settle in that fashion for morality's sake it would have actually been better to have a long dirty mud slinging fest with a money settlement at the end for the winning party. Most people will either overlook the charity or view it as a joke (sadly I think half of the bike racing population views Lemond's sexual abuse as a joke or knows nothing of it and doesnt care.) The velonews article was entitled "DNS, DNF."

Although, Lemond is a bit narcisistic on the site showing a profile of himself. I like Lemond though and I dont think he has anything wrong with him personality wise. There's a healthy amount of self worship that most people who have been emotionally traumatized dont have.

 

[flicker]

Words cannot describe the contempt I have for your comments on Lemond and his son. It was a nasty, vile thing to come out with, yet it also shows that I;m glad you're a Lance fan. Clearly you see something in him you like and emapthise with.

Total bad taste I have wouldn't you say. Similar to evesdropping at resturants recording phone calls bringing child molestation (Floyd)into doping cases peoples ex wives etc. Not to mention implying that a sponsor says it is OK for Lance to dope.

It goes both ways Mssr. Digger.

Like I said before LeMond is a great champion. As a human being I just comment on what I see.

That 1 and 6 thing. I havn't ever heard Greg shout down my neighbor Jonathon Boyer.

 

[guilder]

This settlement was good medicine for both Lemond and Trek.
Unfortunately not enough meds to treat you sick basterds.

 

[Race Radio]

Total bad taste I have wouldn't you say. Similar to evesdropping at resturants recording phone calls bringing child molestation (Floyd)into doping cases peoples ex wives etc. Not to mention implying that a sponsor says it is OK for Lance to dope.

It goes both ways Mssr. Digger.

Like I said before LeMond is a great champion. As a human being I just comment on what I see.

That 1 and 6 thing. I havn't ever heard Greg shout down my neighbor Jonathon Boyer.

Greg did not bring his Child Molestation into Floyd's case, Floyd (and Will) did by trying to intimidate a witness.

You say you used to race with Bob and Greg. I used to know a guy who raced up in your area named Fred Taylor. I heard he had some problems with the little boys and had to go away for a while, don't know if it is true but thats what I heard.

 

[The Crusher]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but just answer this question. If you are a true cycling fan why did you just start to post just 1 day ago? Why you didn't do it before?

No BS. Just give me a good reason. Otherwise, you are just coming here to undermine Greg's reputation. That's all.

Why sonny boy, I was posting on rec.bicycles before you were even born. Or something like that.

But in this case, I was reading some article, and saw a link to this forum. Browsed around for a while, and then read something I felt like responding to, so I joined the forum.

At any rate, I hope I can prove myself in the future, by undermining lots of other people's reputations too.

 

[Digger]

Total bad taste I have wouldn't you say. Similar to evesdropping at resturants recording phone calls bringing child molestation (Floyd)into doping cases peoples ex wives etc. Not to mention implying that a sponsor says it is OK for Lance to dope.

It goes both ways Mssr. Digger.

Like I said before LeMond is a great champion. As a human being I just comment on what I see.

That 1 and 6 thing. I havn't ever heard Greg shout down my neighbor Jonathon Boyer.

Well we know where one of your rumours is coming from...

Who brought the child molestation into the case? Who threatened who?

Evesdropping at restaurants? What kind of horse sh** are you talking about?

Recording phone calls...would you blame him, considering how he was being threatened?

Never once did he imply that....in your fantasy world he might have though.

In fact your post above is a joke of inaccuracies and downright lies...quite an achievement is such a short post.


And you say it works both ways...did Lemond personally f*** you over or something to entitle you to make such a comment about his son.

 

[flicker]

Furthermore I feel that it is abhorant that a crime was committed upon Greg as a child. That is I should say the penalties are much to light against people who abuse children. The ones who cover up child abuse are as guilty as the abusers. No Omerta on that mate. Ruins people.

 

[BigBoat]

Total bad taste I have wouldn't you say. Similar to evesdropping at resturants recording phone calls bringing child molestation (Floyd)into doping cases peoples ex wives etc. Not to mention implying that a sponsor says it is OK for Lance to dope.

It goes both ways Mssr. Digger.

Like I said before LeMond is a great champion. As a human being I just comment on what I see.

That 1 and 6 thing. I havn't ever heard Greg shout down my neighbor Jonathon Boyer.

There's a couple of things that are wrong, your right on others. Floyd was the one who brought the molestation into his own case (or his friend Will Geoghegan to be fully accurate.)

Lemond implied that the sponsor wants their rider to win the Tour and that requires him to be doped to the gills!

 

[flicker]

Sorry Mssr. Digger my wife died from drug addiction. If things need to come out in the open they need to come out in the open, I have the right to speak.

 

[Digger]

Furthermore I feel that it is abhorant that a crime was committed upon Greg as a child. That is I should say the penalties are much to light against people who abuse children. The ones who cover up child abuse are as guilty as the abusers. No Omerta on that mate. Ruins people.

You have a word with Jock Boyer so, in between him telling you stories about Lemond.

 

[Digger]

Sorry Mssr. Digger my wife died from drug addiction. If things need to come out in the open they need to come out in the open, I have the right to speak.

And Greg's son taking recreational drugs could mean that Greg doped with PEDs...you honestly believe that?

Also, you still haven't addressed the factual inaccuracies in that post alone.

 

[ravens]

Whoever is paying Carboncrank isn't getting their money's worth.

Once again, I NEED money and will someone get the word to demandmedia that I am way better of a $5 hooker than some of these other folks. Yes, I have already posted a resume to their site.

 

[BigBoat]

Sorry Mssr. Digger my wife died from drug addiction. If things need to come out in the open they need to come out in the open, I have the right to speak.

Digger really blackmailed you into that.

 

[flicker]

RR good one! I think you are digging a little deep for a come back.

All I can say about Jauques is see ya wouldn't want to be ya.

 

[red_flanders]

That's laughable. From the charity's perspective, it may be a big sum, but for Trek, it probably amounts to a rounding error.

Did you expect Trek to pay out 10 billion on this? You don't know what Greg got, and chances are it was a lot if the charity donation is 200k. It's not about what it's worth to Trek, it's about what the payments are worth to LeMond to have him settle. If you think that's all he got, I'd be surprised to hear it.

If it's so simple for them to pay off, why sue? They should have just settled after the first suit. But instead, they counter-sued and incurred legal costs likely many times the charity payoff, and whatever they had to pay LeMond.

They spent a lot of money trying to smear him. This was clearly big enough money at risk to fight, smear, and ultimately pay off LeMond. No way Trek looks good in this, and no way they wanted this to go to court.

 

[flicker]

The real question is how much will TREK and Lance pay me to shut up?

 

[Digger]

RR good one! I think you are digging a little deep for a come back.

All I can say about Jauques is see ya wouldn't want to be ya.

Says thje person who:
Brings Greg's molestation into the argument
Who tries to link Greg's son's rec drug use to his father using PEDs before he was even born - because 'like father like son'.

 

[The Crusher]

Examples.....

I take it you mean examples of arrogant and manipulative.

Greg has spoken out several times about Lance and others in the context of doping, even though he (apparently) has no direct factual evidence that would prove doping. But he manipulates the media and public opinion by speaking out in a controversial way.

I admit it's vague. To a large degree, it's just this sense I get about him. Maybe I'm trying to differentiate between Lance's and Greg's issues.

At it's core, Lance and Greg both seem to suffer from the same disease: MUST. STAY. IN. LIMELIGHT. But they go about it in different ways, and they're very different kinds of people.

tom

 

[flicker]

Says thje person who:
Brings Greg's molestation into the argument
Who tries to link Greg's son's rec drug use to his father using PEDs before he was even born - because 'like father like son'.

Exactly. I read about Gregs' son in Velonews. It was tacky for me to mention it. I think Greg made himself look silly by going after Floyd. Open and shut case, the French did an open and shut drug test. Floyd was positive.

I wouldn't even want to be associated with Floyd after that. Floyd showed who he himself was when his bodyguard tried to blackmail Greg.

 

[red_flanders]

I just want to see Greg get happy again.

That being I would not ride his bike unless I ground his name off the bike with a big industrial grinder,

Reason being he does not sponsor races in Northern California.

When he did race he rode Della Santa, Litespeed and Calfee bikes.

He was sponsored also by French teams and used their equipment also.

Nothing to do with TREK or US based companies.

He rode for French teams! Sacre Bleu!

You're either ignorant or willfully obtuse to the reality of American cycling before LeMond. There were one or two guys in Europe, and none of them were worth a crap, quite frankly. There were no teams, no companies in the US sponsoring teams, zip, zilch, jack squat.

7-11 was around since '81, and their captain at that time was Eric Heiden. Not exactly the top of the race scene. Greg was a top talent and went where the top talent went--to the best teams with the best coaches and riders. 7-11 became a great team over the years with great riders, but during LeMond's ascent they were second rate.

The industry which exists now in the US road scene would have been nothing without LeMond. He was key in creating the demand that allowed companies to venture into road cycling, mostly as a side be from their core business.

What a crock. You don't like him because he doesn't sponsor races in NorCal. Uhh...right. What other pro cyclists or former pros don't sponsor races here? You dislike them also? What a joke.

 

[Race Radio]

I take it you mean examples of arrogant and manipulative.

Greg has spoken out several times about Lance and others in the context of doping, even though he (apparently) has no direct factual evidence that would prove doping. But he manipulates the media and public opinion by speaking out in a controversial way.

I admit it's vague. To a large degree, it's just this sense I get about him. Maybe I'm trying to differentiate between Lance's and Greg's issues.

At it's core, Lance and Greg both seem to suffer from the same disease: MUST. STAY. IN. LIMELIGHT. But they go about it in different ways, and they're very different kinds of people.

tom

As expected, nothing.

Even Trek had trouble finding more then a couple weak sentences from Greg over the span of 8 years. If you actually listen to what Greg says he seldom mentions Lance.

Armstrong's PR firm, Public Strategies, has done a great job spinning this myth that Greg is on a personal jihad against Lance. People think it is true but they cannot give an example why.