Liege-Bastogne-Liege Femmes, One Day Miniment

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(Yes, I am totally stealing @Samu Cuenca's term! 156 km does not a Monument make!)

Defending Champion, Kim "Too-Many-Last-Names" is out.
The overwhelming favourite is of course Vollering.


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(Otherwise, info may also be found in the Men's race thread)
 
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I only used the Miniment moniker due to the debacle regarding the status of Strade. Now we have entered an era where men's and women's monuments are generally treated equally by journalists and commentators alike.

It will be interesting to see not only who wins this, but also who finishes with the best record across the three big races this week. Vollering and Blasi are currently tied with a win and a third place each, but the odds are stacked against the beer enthusiast since no Spanish riders have finished in the top 10 during the previous nine editions.
 
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I only used the Miniment moniker due to the debacle regarding the status of Strade. Now we have entered an era where men's and women's monuments are generally treated equally by journalists and commentators alike.

Of course. But surely women can ride 200+ km.
Well, trained women. I couldn't!

I'm not saying they should raise the length tomorrow. Just, gradually...
 
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Of course. But surely women can ride 200+ km.
Well, trained women. I couldn't!

I'm not saying they should raise the length tomorrow. Just, gradually...
Sure, and it is nice to see that overall the lengths of women's races has been tending upwards. But 200km is still outlying by a massive amount, most of the women's big one dayers are creeping up to the 160k or so mark.

I really wanted Milano-Sanremo Donne to be up at 180-200 to reflect the outlying status of the men's race relative to others due to its length too. And then that would have both served as an excellent barometer, and also given us a completely unique and differentiating factor about the race on the women's calendar (which just so happens to match its unique differentiation factor on the men's).
 
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Of course. But surely women can ride 200+ km.
Well, trained women. I couldn't!

I'm not saying they should raise the length tomorrow. Just, gradually...

I am all for a longer route, but it also has to make sense logistically. Realistically there are probably only two options right now: Either a start in Bastogne which results in 150+ km or a start in Liège which would make it around 180 km instead (with last year's route it would have been approx. 172 km).

But would LL really be better than BL as long as you have all the major climbs in the race? I am not sure about that, but I obviously won't know for sure unless I get to experience it.
 
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Looks like we're getting just over 1hrs coverage again 🙄 so what would be the point making the race any longer
Its not like the women usually spend 60 to 90 minutes fighting for the break which makes for fascinating viewing. The one or two hours coverage is a much better advertisement for women's cycling.
 
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I am all for a longer route, but it also has to make sense logistically. Realistically there are probably only two options right now: Either a start in Bastogne which results in 150+ km or a start in Liège which would make it around 180 km instead (with last year's route it would have been approx. 172 km).

But would LL really be better than BL as long as you have all the major climbs in the race? I am not sure about that, but I obviously won't know for sure unless I get to experience it.

Technically, 180 km is 150+ km.

And what if instead of either LL or BL it's LBL? Like... the name of the race.

Looks like we're getting just over 1hrs coverage again 🙄 so what would be the point making the race any longer

The ASO had come up with the obvious solution for Paris-Roubaix...
Until this year.

Of course, the still need to show the whole race.
 
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perhaps it gives a boost to women’s pro peloton to give the appellation “monument” to their races on similar courses. But I’m not sure that for growing women’s sports simply replicating all the images and traditions of the men’s sports is beneficial. Or perhaps I’m a stickler that “monument” at its core (and in the original French) typically implies a long history or legacy of something. Calling women’s Roubaix a monument kinda makes sense because racing on the pavement (even if not all sections) is the essential character and legacy of that race. Conversely, part of the central character and legacy of MSR is are?) its length. So a 150 km women’s race shouldn’t be called a monument—just call wherever-to-San Remo.
 
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perhaps it gives a boost to women’s pro peloton to give the appellation “monument” to their races on similar courses. But I’m not sure that for growing women’s sports simply replicating all the images and traditions of the men’s sports is beneficial. Or perhaps I’m a stickler that “monument” at its core (and in the original French) typically implies a long history or legacy of something. Calling women’s Roubaix a monument kinda makes sense because racing on the pavement (even if not all sections) is the essential character and legacy of that race. Conversely, part of the central character and legacy of MSR is are?) its length. So a 150 km women’s race shouldn’t be called a monument—just call wherever-to-San Remo.

Actual the thread title says Miniment
 
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I’m going for Pauline again. Hope she can get in the mix. Or I would love a Puck win. But Demi will probably be too strong again. She knows the formula now. The herder the race, or the longer the effort the better.
 
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perhaps it gives a boost to women’s pro peloton to give the appellation “monument” to their races on similar courses. But I’m not sure that for growing women’s sports simply replicating all the images and traditions of the men’s sports is beneficial. Or perhaps I’m a stickler that “monument” at its core (and in the original French) typically implies a long history or legacy of something. Calling women’s Roubaix a monument kinda makes sense because racing on the pavement (even if not all sections) is the essential character and legacy of that race. Conversely, part of the central character and legacy of MSR is are?) its length. So a 150 km women’s race shouldn’t be called a monument—just call wherever-to-San Remo.
Yea, it also is a bit silly for me to give these races a monument title and not, say, Flèche, which at least had a women's race for a decade or two before the current expansion.

It's one of the things I'm most ambivalent about with the Women's World Tour, in that in some respects we're getting what I'd hoped for in that the women are slowly building up a calendar which matches up to that of the men, but what it has seen is all the passion project organisers who put on the races that kept women's cycling afloat during the 'racing through the dark' era being cast aside like used jet trash while the big name organisers who had held women's cycling back by their lack of interest (remembering the days of the best coverage of Flèche Wallonne being Sporza's commentators hanging their mobile phone out of the side of the commentary booth to post about 30 seconds of the riders' arrival on Twitter) rush to the front and yell 'follow me!'.

Whilst it's good not to have to rely on those underfunded organisations that often struggled with providing prize money and sponsorships and could see issues from other perspectives - security or parcours balance, for example - I do kinda regret that apart from Trofeo Binda, every single race from that era at the WWT level is gone. At least things like Emakumeen Bira have just been folded over into Itzulia Women, but things like Vårgårda, Drenthe (I know it also had a men's race, but the women's race was more important relative to calendar) and the Norwegian races are all gone, while the Ladies' Tour of Holland has been downgraded and the British Women's Tour has also died and is a phoenix, serving as a mere shadow of what it used to be. They might not have provided women's cycling with the kind of platform it needed to succeed, but at least you knew those organisers cared.
 
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Whether or not they did, it's still egregious that they then claim the credit and demand congratulations when they finally do show it.

We also know that some organisers did at times actively work against the development of the women's side of the sport and not always only due to financial interests.

Now that has thankfully in large part become a thing of the past, although it's only been a few years since the then Itzulia director criticised the fact he had to put on a women's race in order to receive public funding.
 
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Now that has thankfully in large part become a thing of the past, although it's only been a few years since the then Itzulia director criticised the fact he had to put on a women's race in order to receive public funding.
what is wrong with criticising that ?
 
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what is wrong with criticising that ?
Do they want the money to support their race or not? If you're the one requesting the handout, you don't get to dictate the terms of it. If it's ok for organisers to say they aren't interested in holding a women's race, it's ok for sponsors to say they are.
 
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Hopefully, the organisers are not gonna do something extremely silly like... having - and showing - the Men's Podium before the switch to the live images for the women's race.
 
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Hopefully, the organisers are not gonna do something extremely silly like... having - and showing - the Men's Podium before the switch to the live images for the women's race.
I say this every race to myself. But then I think they have to fill u the helicopter and motos again. Let them catch the women race maybe through the normal traffic or going against the route untill they find the groups.

But for the Ronde they had 2 live feeds at the same time. Don’t know why they can’t do it every time like this, probably money. But now I know it’s possible, just a shame they don’t do it for every monument or bigger race.
 
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I say this every race to myself. But then I think they have to fill u the helicopter and motos again. Let them catch the women race maybe through the normal traffic or going against the route untill they find the groups.

Well, traffic isn't gonna be a problem for the helicopter.
 
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