Like a Tiger...maybe Cheetah is better?

[altark123]

Honestly.....

Um, sure....

that's a pic of a woman you moron. The physiology of men and women are completely different. That's an incredible amount of muscle for a woman to carry, one that reeks of PEDs, as obviously Jones was a huge doper. But to post a pic of women and compare that to Tiger Woods is ignorant.

 

[altark123]

Here is an article...

from a group that takes a pretty honest look at steroids in sport:

Such is the suspicion of our times, where even gentlemen golfers don't get a break. WoodsTiger doesn't help himself when he plays coy about his extensive workout program, but no one seriously thinks he is using anything stronger than his new Gatorade drink. Woods himself is one of the few players who have been publicly supportive of the tour's effort to implement drug testing."

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2008/04/tiger-woods-put.html

 

[BroDeal]

What the hell does Floyd Landis taking testosterone have to do with Tiger Woods? Of course he doesn't have Arnold's physique, because he was taking it for a different reason. Floyd Landis' doping served a completely different purpose than would serve a golfer.

The PGA tour did implement drug testing last year and was 100% clean. But all you cynics out there cannot accept the fact that there may actually be people out there who do any sort of competitive activity without cheating.

Can you honestly name 5 golfers who have the physical appearance of being on steroids or other PEDs, let alone 90%? Strength is not the be all end all of hitting the ball a long way. There are plenty of diminutive players who hit the ball a long way because it is all about the mechanics of the golf swing.

This is freakin' hilarious. It reminds me of the clueless baseball fans in the early 00's who would argue that not only was there not a drug problem in baseball but drugs would not help players anyway.

 

[altark123]

This is freakin' hilarious. It reminds me of the clueless baseball fans in the early 00's who would argue that not only was there not a drug problem in baseball but drugs would not help players anyway.

You my friend are clueless and I think it's about time I let you idiots continue this debate. I want FACTS! I want PROOF! These are things you clowns seem to ignore or don't require to make an educated decision. I have better things to than argue opinions with you guys, obviously we are of differing opinions, but the FACTS lie with me. Besides a tangential connection to a doctor who briefly worked with Tiger who was caught with HGH at the Canadian border, where it IS LEGAL I may add, you have nothing! Look at bodybuilder physiques of steroid users and then compare them to the Vanity Fair picture and you can obviously see the difference.

 

[BroDeal]

You my friend are clueless and I think it's about time I let you idiots continue this debate. I want FACTS! I want PROOF! These are things you clowns seem to ignore or don't require to make an educated decision. I have better things to than argue opinions with you guys, obviously we are of differing opinions, but the FACTS lie with me. Besides a tangential connection to a doctor who briefly worked with Tiger who was caught with HGH at the Canadian border, where it IS LEGAL I may add, you have nothing! Look at bodybuilder physiques of steroid users and then compare them to the Vanity Fair picture and you can obviously see the difference.

Yeah, all the cyclists on dope are really bulked up. I heard that a movie producer wanted to save a bundle of money that would have been spent on CGI by painting Floyd Landis green and using him in the last Hulk movie.

Heck, it's normal for pro athletes to have a relationship with a doctor who uses couriers to illegally transport performance enhancing drugs across the border. Don't mean a thang.

 

[BroDeal]

Friends, this is a great day. We may have to shut The Clinic down. The dope problem has been solved. For a long time we have decried the lack of funds for testing and the ineffectiveness of tests. Riders pass hundreds of tests and only get caught when the police uncover a doping ring. Well, that is all going to end. We now have a fullproof and cheap method to detect dopers.

Cycling will hire altark123 to do the dope testing visually. Before every important race the riders will line up outside the dope testing booth. They will file past altark123 naked, and he will inspect their muscles, their wee wees, and whatever else he uses to determine whether or not someone is on the sauce.

This is a plan that cannot possibly fail.

 

[Ferminal]

Someone's swimming in denial.
Seriously, there are millions at stake, with minimal (?) testing how many wouldn't spend a few thousand for the last 2% of preparation?

Hey, swimming is clean as a whistle too!

 

[MacRoadie]

that's a pic of a woman you moron. The physiology of men and women are completely different. That's an incredible amount of muscle for a woman to carry, one that reeks of PEDs, as obviously Jones was a huge doper. But to post a pic of women and compare that to Tiger Woods is ignorant.

Gee, is it really, "Einstein"?

I really don't think you want to go down the "moron" route with me, at least as long as you're going to stick with imbecillic statements like "the bulky rounded type that typically results from PED use".

How about this guy then?

or maybe this one?

or possibly him?

Since you obviously have absolutely no clue about cycling or PED use, I thought a more familiar, non-cycling image would register more clearly with you. I thought wrong.

 

[altark123]

Alright, I got a little excited earlier...

i should not have called anyone a moron or any other name. I just get frustrated with people going after Tiger with no tangible evidence. I get the points about not all "PEDs" resulting in bulky muscle. Here is where we need to outline the difference between what you cycling guys are talking about and what I am talking about:

Tiger- the allegations that people have been making deal with steroids or HGH used to grow more muscle.

Cyclists- doping tends to be more endurance focused not the same thing at all as that which Tiger is accused of. So I don't appreciate being "corrected" by showing pictures of cyclists who doped. These cyclists' methods of doping were completely different. I will not use Steroids and HGH isntead of the generic "PED" in this matter as that is what he has been accused of. So no more using blood doping cyclists as counterpoints ok?


And still anybody is yet to present any sort of actual PROOF

 

[MacRoadie]

i should not have called anyone a moron or any other name. I just get frustrated with people going after Tiger with no tangible evidence. I get the points about not all "PEDs" resulting in bulky muscle. Here is where we need to outline the difference between what you cycling guys are talking about and what I am talking about:

Tiger- the allegations that people have been making deal with steroids or HGH used to grow more muscle.

Cyclists- doping tends to be more endurance focused not the same thing at all as that which Tiger is accused of. So I don't appreciate being "corrected" by showing pictures of cyclists who doped. These cyclists' methods of doping were completely different. I will not use Steroids and HGH isntead of the generic "PED" in this matter as that is what he has been accused of. So no more using blood doping cyclists as counterpoints ok?

Well, being that this is a cycling forum, us "cycling guys" do know a little about the subject of doping and cycling. I'm going to bow out of this "discussion" for now, but don't be surprised when the "cycling guys" start schooling you on how steroid and HGH use is rampant in cycling, but NOT for muscle growth.

In the interim you might want to google "Joe Papp", "Floyd Landis", and the 1988 Tour de France while you're at it. You might also look at some of the more recent articles on development of HGH-detecting tests, specifically for use by cycling to test Biological Passport cyclists.

 

[altark123]

Alright MacRoadie, I stand corrected on steroids and HGH in cycling...

and we're never going to change each other's opinions on this issue.