Like a Tiger...maybe Cheetah is better?

[lwebb12]

July 18, 2007

http://www.worldgolf.com/news/pga/gary-player-says-steroids-in-use-on-pga-tour-5728.htm

Tiger Woods and his politispeak, that is the beginning of the end.

 

[ChrisE]

Ha, thought so, hard to get one of them lawyer degree things and have a life at the same time. Wait till you get in your 50's it only gets worse. I weighed about 185 when I got out of high school, about 168-170 through my 20's to early 30's when I was a "real bike racer" and around 175 up to about age 48 while I was a semi serious master. Now that I'm in my mid 50's I can't seem to get on the right side of 200.

Wow, I thought you were about 16. No offense.

 

[ChrisE]

One day they too will see enlightenment!

Set your mind free from the "magic" and the "against all odds" mindset and you can see a sickening pattern.

The only people who really lose out are us fans.

Yes, and Woods has a charity as well. The posters here can just cut/paste and save alot of time.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Wow, I thought you were about 16. No offense.

None taken, I'll just consider the source.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

None taken, I'll just consider the source.

LMAO

 

[lwebb12]

Yes, and Woods has a charity as well. The posters here can just cut/paste and save alot of time.

The ones for or against?

 

[Polish]

the golf forums are in denial about it.

I suppose the denial could be applied to the steroids/HGH.

No reason to be in denial about the actovegin though.
Nothing there to deny. Not banned.
And the fact that Lance used it PROVES it can't be bad.

Wonder how long it will be before wannabe Golf champions
are injecting coffee beans and actovegin into their butts?

"Fart Bus"

 

[Mellow Velo]

I suppose the denial could be applied to the steroids/HGH.

No reason to be in denial about the actovegin though.
Nothing there to deny. Not banned.
And the fact that Lance used it PROVES it can't be bad.

Really. How thick are you?
Forget WADA and Pharmstrong.
The using, selling or importing Actovegin is illegal in the United States.

Which part of this can't you read?
Why do you think the FBI are involved?

Or do you think Tiger Woods is Italian?

As for not bad:
Canadian sports doctor Anthony Galea was charged for illegally providing professional athletes with a number of performance-enhancing drugs, including Actovegin.
Uses and side effects

The Drug is not registered with the FDA. No studies have profen it beneficial for anything. The drugs manufacturer claims it can be used for circulation and nutrition disturbances, skin grafting, burns, and wound-healing impairment.

Actovegin is also used as a performance enhancer.

Actovegin is somewhat toxic and can cause nettle-rash, fever and edema. Anaphylactic shock has been observed.

 

[broken chain]

I used to golf quite regularly.Power does help but cannot help accuracy or short game.I played with a friends dad who weighed about a buck and quarter.His drives were around 200 to 230 yards but always down the middle of the fairway.I could easily outdrive him by 60 yards.But at the end of the day he shot his usual 78 to 82,while my scorecard read 88 to 92.Point being he had a great short game.Anywhere from 70 yards and in he was murder.Usually up and down in 2.Took loads of my hard earned cash.Even if tiger did dope which by the way I think he did(probably xanax and some hgh)I cant see where it would be an advantage,although a baseball player stated that it really helps your eyesight.Steady nerves would benefit your game more than strength.You dont want your hands and knees shaking on those crucial putts or shots.Ask Greg Norman

 

[lwebb12]

I used to golf quite regularly.Power does help but cannot help accuracy or short game.I played with a friends dad who weighed about a buck and quarter.His drives were around 200 to 230 yards but always down the middle of the fairway.I could easily outdrive him by 60 yards.But at the end of the day he shot his usual 78 to 82,while my scorecard read 88 to 92.Point being he had a great short game.Anywhere from 70 yards and in he was murder.Usually up and down in 2.Took loads of my hard earned cash.Even if tiger did dope which by the way I think he did(probably xanax and some hgh)I cant see where it would be an advantage,although a baseball player stated that it really helps your eyesight.Steady nerves would benefit your game more than strength.You dont want your hands and knees shaking on those crucial putts or shots.Ask Greg Norman

Less run on, more spaces.

 

[ChrisE]

LMAO

That wasn't even one of his better ones. You sure do impress easily.

 

[Hugh Januss]

That wasn't even one of his better ones. You sure do impress easily.

Thank-you both. Great photo by the way, the cat playing with the new puppy.

 

[Polish]

Don't call me Shirley

Really. How thick are you?
Which part of this can't you read?
Why do you think the FBI are involved?
do you think Tiger Woods is Italian?
The Drug is not registered with the FDA.
.

Surely you are not saying that the FBI or FDA or Interpol are going
to bust Tiger for actovegin?

Geez, the guy has enough problems without worrying about that

 

[Polish]

Shun the nonbelievers. Shuuuunnn.

One day they too will see enlightenment!

Set your mind free from the "magic" and the "against all odds" mindset and you can see a sickening pattern.

What is this ""magic"" and "enlightenment" you speak of?
The Vision of Drug-Free Pro Sports? Unicorns?
Believe!

The only people who really lose out are us fans.

I don't know. Someday in the future, after Pro-Sport evolves
into being Drug-Free, golf fans may look back nostalgically
at the "high-octane" years and think "geez, that was exciting".
Baseball and Fùtbol too?

I also wonder how Golf Fans will react IF the Anti-Drug Zealots
attack the sport of Pro Golfing. Will the fans push back?
Or maybe pockets of Tiger Haters will develop?

 

[L29205]

Surely you are not saying that the FBI or FDA or Interpol are going
to bust Tiger for actovegin?

Geez, the guy has enough problems without worrying about that

Tiger will not see any impact on his career because of this.

But as Mellow Velo pointed out the Doctor is in serious trouble. These charges are not against Tiger they are against the doctor. A doctor whose ethics seemed to be not quite on par with his peers.

 

[lwebb12]

What is this ""magic"" and "enlightenment" you speak of?
The Vision of Drug-Free Pro Sports? Unicorns?
Believe!



I don't know. Someday in the future, after Pro-Sport evolves
into being Drug-Free, golf fans may look back nostalgically
at the "high-octane" years and think "geez, that was exciting".
Baseball and Fùtbol too?

I also wonder how Golf Fans will react IF the Anti-Drug Zealots
attack the sport of Pro Golfing. Will the fans push back?
Or maybe pockets of Tiger Haters will develop?

I think it is moreso the myth of drug free sports.

All of them, they all peptuate to fraud that the sports are clean, so when we root for an individual or a team and they are jacked up it makes it feel like we are cheated.

 

[filipo]

Tiger's Big Mistake photo shoot. Hilarious.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/01/tiger_woods_is_probably_regret.html

 

[altark123]

Get off it....without some reasonable evidence...

stop going after every successful athlete as a doper. Tiger spends more time in the gym than almost any other athlete regardless of sport. His workout regimen is incredible and his body type is not that of a juicer. Look at that Vanity Fair picture, he is a lean, cut strong, not the bulky rounded type that typically results from PED use. Yes, the man is a physical specimen but there are many who put in the gym time and diet dedication to achieve these body types naturally. Stop this witch hunt, when you are going after golfers, who PEDs arguably would provide no competitive advantage, you have a issues.

 

[afpm90]

stop going after every successful athlete as a doper. Tiger spends more time in the gym than almost any other athlete regardless of sport. His workout regimen is incredible and his body type is not that of a juicer. Look at that Vanity Fair picture, he is a lean, cut strong, not the bulky rounded type that typically results from PED use. Yes, the man is a physical specimen but there are many who put in the gym time and diet dedication to achieve these body types naturally. Stop this witch hunt, when you are going after golfers, who PEDs arguably would provide no competitive advantage, you have a issues.

If the gym is full of women, I will believe in that

 

[altark123]

His workout dedication is the reason....

that some sports commentators and journalists publicly speculated that initially his car accident may have happened on the way to workout in the middle of the night. As ridiculous as that sounds and was clearly not true, it is not out of the question with this guy, he is a total gym rat.

 

[badboyberty]

stop going after every successful athlete as a doper. Tiger spends more time in the gym than almost any other athlete regardless of sport. His workout regimen is incredible and his body type is not that of a juicer. Look at that Vanity Fair picture, he is a lean, cut strong, not the bulky rounded type that typically results from PED use. Yes, the man is a physical specimen but there are many who put in the gym time and diet dedication to achieve these body types naturally. Stop this witch hunt, when you are going after golfers, who PEDs arguably would provide no competitive advantage, you have a issues.

So PED's offer no advantage to golfers, but excessive time in the gym does? Floyd Landis doesn't have Arnold Scwhartzenneggar's physique, does that mean that he's clean? Smell the coffee...

1. Mens professional golfers have never been subjected to rigorous drug testing

2. There are serious credible allegations about doping being rife in the PGA, insiders claiming 90% or more using PED's

3. Tiger Wood's doctor is being charged for trafficing PED's illegally acros the US/ Canadian border

Where there's flames jumping two-hundred feet into the air there's usually fire.

 

[altark123]

That last post is full of errors

I never said the time he spends in the gym makes him a great golfer chief. He does it because he obviously enjoys it. He was the best golfer on the planet before he began bulking up. Secondly, this doctor was not his only doctor or personal doctor who follows him everywhere. It was specifically to treat his rehabbing knee using the "blood spinning" technique he is famous for being the best at. just because the guy is an idiot and was caught with PEDs in a situation with no connection to Tiger, doesn't make Tiger guilty. Does that make every person this guy treated a doper? Lastly, Tiger is a health freak, I highly doubt he would use steroids that he knows would hurt his health in the long run. Some of you people are unreal. You seem genuinely convinced everyone is juiced.

 

[altark123]

So PED's offer no advantage to golfers, but excessive time in the gym does? Floyd Landis doesn't have Arnold Scwhartzenneggar's physique, does that mean that he's clean? Smell the coffee...

1. Mens professional golfers have never been subjected to rigorous drug testing

2. There are serious credible allegations about doping being rife in the PGA, insiders claiming 90% or more using PED's



What the hell does Floyd Landis taking testosterone have to do with Tiger Woods? Of course he doesn't have Arnold's physique, because he was taking it for a different reason. Floyd Landis' doping served a completely different purpose than would serve a golfer.

The PGA tour did implement drug testing last year and was 100% clean. But all you cynics out there cannot accept the fact that there may actually be people out there who do any sort of competitive activity without cheating.

Can you honestly name 5 golfers who have the physical appearance of being on steroids or other PEDs, let alone 90%? Strength is not the be all end all of hitting the ball a long way. There are plenty of diminutive players who hit the ball a long way because it is all about the mechanics of the golf swing.

 

[Hugh Januss]

So PED's offer no advantage to golfers, but excessive time in the gym does? Floyd Landis doesn't have Arnold Scwhartzenneggar's physique, does that mean that he's clean? Smell the coffee...

1. Mens professional golfers have never been subjected to rigorous drug testing

2. There are serious credible allegations about doping being rife in the PGA, insiders claiming 90% or more using PED's



What the hell does Floyd Landis taking testosterone have to do with Tiger Woods? Of course he doesn't have Arnold's physique, because he was taking it for a different reason. Floyd Landis' doping served a completely different purpose than would serve a golfer.

Can you honestly name 5 golfers who have the physical appearance of being on steroids or other PEDs, let alone 90%? Strength is not the be all end all of hitting the ball a long way. There are plenty of diminutive players who hit the ball a long way because it is all about the mechanics of the golf swing.

Someone's swimming in denial.
Seriously, there are millions at stake, with minimal (?) testing how many wouldn't spend a few thousand for the last 2% of preparation?

 

[MacRoadie]

His workout regimen is incredible and his body type is not that of a juicer. Look at that Vanity Fair picture, he is a lean, cut strong, not the bulky rounded type that typically results from PED use.

Um, sure....