The discussion so for (from TdF stage One thread): apologies if I have left out any relevant comments.
Another thing: I really, really don't hope that showing the sprint from the helicopter live is going to be a thing.
Disagree strongly, unless the argument is that downdraught is an issue (which I have not heard riders complain of) I find the overhead view much more informative in terms of relative speed, identifying riders, lines taken, width of spaces,: everything I would want to know about how the final few hundred mertes play out.
Yeah, we could see who was first and second, the rest were impossible. Viviani was sixth, but he wasn't on the heli shot once.
It's fine (and deeply necessary) to have heli views after the live one, but the front camera needs to be applied for the live sprint. I want to their faces, not their backs the first time I watch the sprint.
So we could do with the zoom being drawn back a bit, but it was only for the last 20metres that the field of view was restricted to 2 riders. I'm not at all sure that it would have been clearer as to whether Bennett had remained ahead of Sagan for 4th on a head-on shot, and that was the only info we lost from the tight zoom.
It's just wrong.
Completely disagree with this. I can't stand the front view. It makes absolutely no sense as it's really hard to tell who's winning or who won most of the time. Imagine if they showed 100m sprints from the front. Those Usain Bolt Olympic wins wouldn't have been nearly as interesting to watch.
Helicopter view should absolutely be the live standard and they can show the front view afterwards.
So you still think the heli view is a splendid idea? Today, we had no chance of seeing how close the chasers were, nor who was involved in the sprint. Horribly annoying.
I have no idea what you're talking about unless you're talking about something other than the final sprint. There were no chasers and you could see everything. I'm just referring to bunch sprint finishes. In any case, you can zoom in/out as needed but I just rewatched yesterday's finish and the view was great.
Nothing more annoying to me than a heads up shot in a bunch sprint when you have no idea who's in front or who's gaining on who and you have to just see who raises their hand.
I'm talking about today (stage 2).
Also, just look at the front wheels. I can almost always tell who won.
Ahh, didn't realize you were talking about today. Yeah, the producers should always make a decision on the view based on the situation.
As for bunch sprints, sure, you can tell whose wheel is in front when they show slo-mo replays from the front, but not in real time when they are scattered across the road at top speed.
I disagree on the last part but I think it's fairly obvious we won't come to an agreement so let's bury it
Maybe a split screen of both angles simultaneously woudl be cool
Agreed. You obviously have way better vision or a quicker eye-to-brain processing time than I do. I usually don't have any idea until someone celebrates in that scenario.
The heli shot is always delayed a second or two, so I would imagine that would be difficult to get right.