Mallorca Challenge 26th - 30th of january 2022

[tobydawq]

Dont like this comparison.

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[Salvarani]

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[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Dont like this comparison.

Of course, I also have to mention their differences… Pogacar is much more likeable than Lance was, sprints better, is more complete, and probably stronger (next generation…).

 

[tobydawq]

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Armstrong was an extraordinarily dominating rider back then. Pogacar was the same in 2021. I really don't see what's wrong in comparing the two when emphasising what a performance it was by Valverde back then. I don't think the poster meant that Pogacar was also a doping-infused tyrant...

 

[Salvarani]

Armstrong was an extraordinarily dominating rider back then. Pogacar was the same in 2021. I really don't see what's wrong in comparing the two when emphasising what a performance it was by Valverde back then. I don't think the poster meant that Pogacar was also a doping-infused tyrant...

You could have said all that in the first place without the meaningless "..." post.

I think they are very different type of riders, hence why I said I dont like the comparison. Thats is just my opinion, so we can agree to disagree.

 

[tobydawq]

You could have said all that in the first place without the meaningless "..." post.

I think they are very different type of riders, hence why I said I dont like the comparison. Thats is just my opinion, so we can agree to disagree.

Actually, I think they were/are very similar with the prime exception that Armstrong did not aim to peak for much else than the Tour in many of the years but he does have a lot of good results in the Ardennes. Or maybe he doesn't anymore, I don't know if they've felt the need to scratch them as well, but he was close to winning Liège and Amstel a few times. Plus he was very good on the TT and in the mountains, had an excellent punch, was fast on the line, thriving in bad weather conditions, strong in long one-day races and immune to crashes just like Pogacar.

 

[Salvarani]

Actually, I think they were/are very similar with the prime exception that Armstrong did not aim to peak for much else than the Tour in many of the years but he does have a lot of good results in the Ardennes. Or maybe he doesn't anymore, I don't know if they've felt the need to scratch them as well, but he was close to winning Liège and Amstel a few times. Plus he was very good on the TT and in the mountains, had an excellent punch, was fast on the line, thriving in bad weather conditions, strong in long one-day races and immune to crashes just like Pogacar.

I think the closest comparison to Armstrong is Froome, for many different reasons.

Both their dominance in GTs and with their teams being so dominant. Sky was the modern version of US Postal Service, with a lot of focus on the Tour.

Froome has never been a one-day racer though, but there are other factors. I mean you mentioned the doping-part, without going further into that. We will never get the "perfect match" and could twist similarities to fit both of our narratives here to say this or that.

I also put stock into how they speak and are off the bike, at least what we hear and see, between Pog and Armstrong in a comparison. Hence my opinion will always be "I dont like the comparison". It is not just the type of rider that goes into it for me, but also what type of people they seem to be. I should have said that in the last post also.

 

[yaco]

Froome is nothing like Armstrong - Lance was a good one day rider who could have been better if he displayed more patience, while Froome has never shown anything in one day races - Froome had a stronger team than Armstrong at the TDF - Armstrong's first two TDF's had an average team while his team got stronger from his third year.

 

[Kaptain Kool]

Pogacar would be like Armstrong if he showed nothing as a GC rider yet and will win his first Tour in 2027.
Valverde 2022 is like Valverde 2002.

 

[Salvarani]

Froome is nothing like Armstrong - Lance was a good one day rider who could have been better if he displayed more patience, while Froome has never shown anything in one day races - Froome had a stronger team than Armstrong at the TDF - Armstrong's first two TDF's had an average team while his team got stronger from his third year.

I didnt say that he was a good one-day rider...

But if we saying Armstrong had era... Froome definitely had one too.

Like I said, you wont find a perfect match but I think you can find similarities in the dominance and in the way they won. Thats why I made the comparison, that I find a much better one. So Armstrong didnt have the best team the first two times he won? What about the other five. If you are gonna nitpick, then so be it.

I was never discussing or saying they were the same type of rider.

And going back to what I said about "dont like the comparison" with Pog and Armstrong, I simply dont for many different reasons. Agree or disagree.

There has been a lot of other riders that have won GTs and one-day races in the past.

We are only in the beginning of Pogs career and hopefully it will continue.

 

[Bonimenier]

When Pogacar first came to the cycling scene, I thought he was Armstrong's son.

 

[perico]

The only rider Pogacar reminds me of is prime Contador.

 

[Netserk]

Actually, I think they were/are very similar with the prime exception that Armstrong did not aim to peak for much else than the Tour in many of the years but he does have a lot of good results in the Ardennes. Or maybe he doesn't anymore, I don't know if they've felt the need to scratch them as well, but he was close to winning Liège and Amstel a few times. Plus he was very good on the TT and in the mountains, had an excellent punch, was fast on the line, thriving in bad weather conditions, strong in long one-day races and immune to crashes just like Pogacar.

Agreed. Teddy is the new Texan Sheriff.

 

[Wvv]

Today the last of five Trofeos.

Kobe Goossens (former CX as well) has been really good this week, but unfortunately on his way to Palma today he had to abandon due to a crash.

 

[Boes]

So, you wouldn't even watch if you could? Why limit yourself?

It's only a joke obviously. I meant early season for Wellens instead of preseason

 

[RedheadDane]

It's only a joke obviously. I meant early season for Wellens instead of preseason

Surely, for Wellens this is top-season.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Surely, for Wellens this is top-season.

Top-season sounds like a made-up word, though.


Arnaud De Lie wins!

 

[Wvv]

Big neo talent Arnaud De Lie wins! Amazing. Lotto has a gem with this one.

 

[Samamba]

FUUUUUCCCK YEES ARNAAAAUD!!! Gonna have to change my pic on here

I've been saying it for months, first time since Bjorg Lambrecht that I have an actual super feeling about a new signing for Lotto Soudal. Massive talent, keep an eye on his numbers!

 

[RedheadDane]

Top-season sounds like a made-up word, though.


Arnaud De Lie wins!

How early where they riding today?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

How early where they riding today?

They started at about 10 o'clock.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Nice win, he's still just 19 years old!

 

[Samamba]

Apparantly there was a crash in the last km

 

[nbfc1962]

01	Arnaud De Lie		Lotto Soudal	3:54:23​
02	Sebastian Molano		UAE Team Emirates	+ 00​
03	Sasha Weemaes		Sport Vlaanderen-Baloise	+ 00​
04	Hugo Hofstetter		Team Arkéa-Samsic	+ 00​
05	Luca Colnaghi		Bardiani CSF Faizanè	+ 00​
06	Michael Matthews		Team BikeExchange-Jayco	+ 00​
07	Giacomo Nizzolo		Israel-Premier Tech	+ 00​
08	Filippo Fiorelli		Bardiani CSF Faizanè	+ 00​
09	Matteo Moschetti		Trek-Segafredo	+ 00​
10	Max Walscheid		Cofidis	+ 00​
11	Manuel Peñalver		Burgos-BH	+ 00​
12	Taj Jones		Israel-Premier Tech	+ 00​
13	Piet Allegaert		Cofidis	+ 00​
14	Ivan Garcia		Movistar Team	+ 00​
15	Federico Burchio		Work Service-Vitalcare-Dynatek	+ 00​

 

[Salvarani]

A win will improve his confidence. Will be very interesting to see how he develops over the season. Great talent.