Teams & Riders Matteo Jorgenson and his inexorable rise to the top

[laarsland]

FIRST. Impressive showing in Avenir until yesterday.

 

[F_Cance]

ok...

 

[RedheadDane]

Interesting title.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Please don't make threads when you're drunk.

 

[tobydawq]

I guess the character limitation on thread titles went out with the new update.

 

[RedheadDane]

Just wait until someone is declared the next Matteo Jorgenson…

 

[Juan Pelota]

What happened to him on stage 9 though?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

So the next in a series of emerging French hopes is an American with an Italian forename and a Danish surname.

 

[RedheadDane]

So the next in a series of emerging French hopes is an American with an Italian forename and a Danish surname.

Swedish.

 

[tobydawq]

Actually, then there would be an ö. This is just a butchered name.

 

[RedheadDane]

I'm still guessing Swedish roots, but because the ö was too difficult to write it got replaced with a regular o.

 

[tobydawq]

So difficult to tick the paper two times.

 

[RedheadDane]

US-style typewriters are/were unlikely to have an ö key. And unlike with computers you can't copy-paste from the internet, or use fancy keyboard codes.
Or it could simply have been a matter of English-speakers not understanding how to say the ö.

 

[tobydawq]

Or it could simply have been a matter of English-speakers not understanding how to say the ö.

Also not very hard. Sometimes I wonder if our mouths are more elastic than American people's.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

But not French, anyway...

 

[RedheadDane]

Also not very hard. Sometimes I wonder if our mouths are more elastic than American people's.

If you're being taught to say certain sounds since you were a baby, then of course they aren't going to be hard. I suppose Basque people think Basque is quite easy to pronounce…

As for Matteo's surname; could also be a matter of simply one clerk making a mistake (bit like with Hodeg/Hodge), at which point I could imagine getting the ¨ back could actually have been quite difficult…

 

[kristo]

Can confirm it is danish, had to change it to an o from an e long ago when too many Jorgensen's lived in the same American town and we sent mail by name and town

 

[SafeBet]

Can confirm it is danish, had to change it to an o from an e long ago when too many Jorgensen's lived in the same American town and we sent mail by name and town

But can you confirm he is the next Clement Champoussin is the next Aurelien Paret Peintre is the next Nans Peters is the next Pierre Latour?

 

[laarsland]

Even though he's a stagiaire with AG2R, I'm hoping he's allowed to ride Piccolo Lombardia, should suit his skillset well.

 

[Salvarani]

I'm still guessing Swedish roots, but because the ö was too difficult to write it got replaced with a regular o.

Swedish names also ends with "son" usually. And Danish and Norweigan with "sen".

Like Karlsson, Johansson, Eriksson etc.

 

[RedheadDane]

Swedish names also ends with "son" usually. And Danish and Norweigan with "sen".

Like Karlsson, Johansson, Eriksson etc.

Not Jorgensön. Jörgenson.

 

[Salvarani]

Swedish names also ends with "son" usually. And Danish and Norweigan with "sen".

Like Karlsson, Johansson, Eriksson etc.

Not Jorgensön. Jörgenson.

I know...

but you can see the difference at the end of the name also.

Jörgenson ---> Swedish

Jørgensen ---> Danish/norwegian

 

[Anderis]

Also not very hard. Sometimes I wonder if our mouths are more elastic than American people's.

Our brains learn only to distinguish sounds we have learnt as a child (or with a conscious effort later in our lives) and it's pretty normal not being able to reliably hear sounds that are not present in any language you know.
For example I'm from Poland and I learn Romanian and when I tell my family, they can't hear the difference between Romanian "apa" and "apă" (which are two different words) at all. They hear them as the same word. In Polish we don't have "ă" sound (which is schwa in English) so whenever a Polish person without much foreign language knowledge hears "ă", his/her brain will match this sound with the closest sound they know, which will be in most cases "a", sometimes "e" (I mean Polish "a" and "e", in English these letters are pronounced with various sounds in various words). Polish has relatively few vowels but we have a lot consonants and consonant clusters that are unpronouncable for Western Europeans without a lot of training for the same reason.
I'm talking not only from my experience, I've also seen once on TV an experiment when people had heard a recording and were asked how many different sounds they could distinguish and English speakers could only hear 2, while Spanish speakers 3, because one of the sounds was the one that is present in Spanish language but not in English language (I can't tell which one because i couldn't hear that one myself too ).

 

[RedheadDane]

I know...

but you can see the difference at the end of the name also.

Jörgenson ---> Swedish

Jørgensen ---> Danish/norwegian

But my point is that I thought it was Swedish because it ends in 'son', rather than 'sen' (with the ö just disappearing over the years/at some point). However, kristo confirmed that it was indeed originally Danish, ending with 'sen'.

 

[Valanga]

Also not very hard. Sometimes I wonder if our mouths are more elastic than American people's.

Well, the Danish pronunciation is hard. That's a fact, and the reason why the Danish children need longer time to learn it compared to other kids

Or maybe they just start learning to speak Danish from the moment they start eating hot potatoes