Mc Quaid " dumped "?

[Tinman]

In the large old boys club that control sports and anti-doping John Fahey is probably one of the best hopes we have. Being overly critical of him misses the point (and opportunity) that the debate now needs to focus on getting better administration in cycling.

 

[peterst6906]

In the large old boys club that control sports and anti-doping John Fahey is probably one of the best hopes we have.

God help us.

Being overly critical of him misses the point (and opportunity) that the debate now needs to focus on getting better administration in cycling.

I doubt that Fahey will have much influence at all in changing the administration of cycling. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect him to do much.

 

[Tinman]

WADA has actually done a pretty commendable job in this huge circus.

My point was that the debate, here and everywhere, needs to focus on Pat/Hein, their possible successors and new ways of administering cycling and anti doping in cycling.

Having a go at WADA/Fahey is taking emphasis away from where it is needed.

 

[peterst6906]

My point was that the debate, here and everywhere, needs to focus on Pat/Hein, their possible successors and new ways of administering cycling and anti doping in cycling.

+1 on that

Having a go at WADA/Fahey is taking emphasis away from where it is needed.

This is the difficult part within this current thread. On WADA I agree with sniper and DirtyWorks. They are another cog in the old-boys club, even though they've been fairly critical of the UCI for several years. In the end, WADA is just a smoke screen to provide some undeserved credibility to Olympic sports.

 

[DirtyWorks]

For a senior cycling administrator to sit on WADA makes total sense as cycling is one of the key sports that WADA needs to have on board to implement its program and succeed in its stated mission (if you believe it has this in its best interest - I do).

This is pretty optimistic and really has no basis in recent history. None. Again, the bio-passport program is theater. WADA certified labs tests samples that the sports federations have made sure there is enough time in the rules to cool the afternoon doping glow. UCI, IAAF, FIFA will ignore results as they see fit is how it works.

towards more fall out and potentially serious damage via a Lance admission, Bruyneel, Padua, new AICAR testing, UCI and national fed investigations,

This is news to me. Who is investigating what? Unless the AICAR test catches the federations by surprise like CERA did, the word will get out way, way ahead of test implementation.

Next watch for IOC dissociating itself publicly from Pat & Hein and working behind the scenes for an elegant solution for those 2.

Hein's the problem here. Let's say they do the impossible and retire Hein, and put Pat in SportAccord Siberia. I don't see how they manage away Hein, but let's pretend he retires. Alain(sp) takes over? They get someone from FIFA? I don't have a clue, so any ideas would be great. Bottom line, more of the same.

 

[cathulu]

Who cares who comes next, let that be the next problem. Meanwhile phat fack off. Best news!!!!!

 

[D-Queued]

Since you're in Canada and not NSW, I would imagine that isn't even relevant to you. But since the post was addressed to a Sydney resident, it was relevant to him/her.

Even with that, certainly it was a statement aimed more at the boys in the state, not necessarily all of the girls.

Two ways to interpret that quote, so perhaps the better way to write it would have been "who in NSW hasn't played junior rugby league", which was the intention it was written with.

I was certainly aware that not all of the World's population have played rugby league, which I'm sure you also knew. But have at it with your literal interpretation if it gives you some feeling of moral superiority for an unknown reason. Doesn't change the general intent though (ie. playing junior rugby league doesn't rate highly for sport cred at a senior level. It's a common thing in the state of NSW).

<sigh>

Perhaps you should have inboxed the Sydney resident instead of blasting the message to all of us, then. The other 11 of us here on these forums might be trying to figure out the inside joke.

But, oh, literal me; here I thought all those from Oz had at least some modest sense of humor.

Guess not.

I will just have to pack up that feeling of moral superiority and go have fun with someone else.

Dave.

 

[Tinman]

Luxembourg cycling federation head Jean Regenwetter calls on UCI to have an extraordinary meeting to discuss reform projects, investigations into Armstrong affairs, the KPMG report on what goes on inside UCI, as well as the status of the UCI president and his remuneration.

Regenwetter refers to UCI as a "banana-republic" and is trying to leverage the Union for European Cycling to get UCI to act.

Use google translate to get the drift. http://www.wort.lu/de/view/fscl-kann-sich-nur-wundern-50ee9d00e4b0092f07fcbf29#.UO6ikao_bRg.twitter

 

[Benotti69]

Luxembourg cycling federation head Jean Regenwetter calls on UCI to have an extraordinary meeting to discuss reform projects, investigations into Armstrong affairs, the KPMG report on what goes on inside UCI, as well as the status of the UCI president and his remuneration.

Regenwetter refers to UCI as a "banana-republic" and is trying to leverage the Union for European Cycling to get UCI to act.

Use google translate to get the drift. http://www.wort.lu/de/view/fscl-kann-sich-nur-wundern-50ee9d00e4b0092f07fcbf29#.UO6ikao_bRg.twitter

Wonder is there leverage being used to get Frank off his positive?

All the federations should get their own houses in order while at the same time demanding the International Federation expalin itself while also demanding the removal of those responisble for the shambles the sport is in.

 

[Tinman]

The good news is that the national feds are getting more scrutiny. Same with the Dutch one and the Thomas Dekker allegations just yesterday. It's all good pressure and hopefully will help clean up the sport.

 

[biker jk]

Well Fahey is one of the worst politicians Australia has ever had. He only got the gig in WADA as a result of his political position at the time it was setup around the Sydney Olympics.

He had no previous sporting history or credibility.

Since the culture of an organisation takes its lead from the top, his history should be fairly informing.

A separate issue to Phat, but linked in terms of the whole arrangement of WADA.

As I said, do you make this stuff up? Fahey did have previous sporting history (played and coached junior rugby league) and credibility (Sydney Olympics). "worst politicians Australia has ever had". Oh really? Gillard, the last few Labor Premiers in NSW, etc. I think your credibility is in tatters. Fahey has done a good job at WADA and yet you attack him without foundation.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

As I said, do you make this stuff up? Fahey did have previous sporting history (played and coached junior rugby league) and credibility (Sydney Olympics). "worst politicians Australia has ever had". Oh really? Gillard, the last few Labor Premiers in NSW, etc. I think your credibility is in tatters. Fahey has done a good job at WADA and yet you attack him without foundation.

Agreed - he was my local MP for many years, one of the better representatives that could be had. Since he grew up, lived and worked in the local community, he had the area as his interest, not like a number of "sea-gull" politicians that are around nowdays.

 

[skippy]

Whatever reason the Luxemberg Fed. called the " EXTRAORDINARY Meeting ", doesn't matter !

What does matter is , this is a GREAT CHANCE to unseat phat mc quack !

What is needed is Those in the Clinic , sending their Nat. Feds. , links to ALL THE NEGATIVE Material re, the UCI Mismanagement !

With involving the Media , Petitions and the Published Material , surely there must be some on the UCI Management/Executive , that will decide ENOUGH is ENOUGH !

Do they want to wait until Sept 2013 , when phat has All his Ducks lined up , promises galore , waiting those that preserve his complacency ?

WADA disenfranchised him , NOW THE UCI Delegates can DUMP HIM !

 

[DirtyWorks]

Do they want to wait until Sept 2013 , when phat has All his Ducks lined up , promises galore , waiting those that preserve his complacency ?

Yes, that's exactly what happens. You'll note the proposed date to close one of two "investigations" is timed after the UCI's general(?) meeting where most of the face-to-face politics takes place.

Also, I cannot recommend reading the UCI's own by-laws enough. It's not a system that is designed to change from the bottom. I wish it were different.

If the Irish cycling federation is sensible, they won't nominate Pat. But, then they run the risk of losing funding/high ranked races should there be any consequences at all. Pat could be nominated from anywhere for a price.

If Pat goes, it's because the IOC has imagined him to be the scapegoat. Hein will let him fall if it comes to that. I imagine it will be a rather quiet exit if it comes to that.

 

[skippy]

Time that those thinking that the " clinic is a force " sent ALL UCI Management Executives this link :
http://transparencyinsportblog.word...when-jimpats-penis-stood-for-racial-purity-2/

Certainly they must know he has history BUT not as an object of derision ?

 

[skippy]

Seems i am the only visitor to CN forum , that wants that "turd " , phat mc splat , removed from influencing OUR Sport !

This latest test of resolve , NEEDS YOUR Help !

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-McQuaid-for-third-term-as-UCI-president.aspx

AS IT SAYS :

" There appears to be three possible outcomes to the meeting; the board decides to back McQuaid’s third bid for presidency, it declines to do so, or it allows the members to decide, calling an EGM where the clubs would vote on the matter. "

Read more:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...hird-term-as-UCI-president.aspx#ixzz2OdYlU9X3

NOW , Since none of you , wish to follow MY lead , perhaps MartinVickers , or some other MORE RESPECTED Poster , can THINK of a way to MObilise , the " clinic 12 " or some other FORCE of public Opinion , NOW , to rid Cycling Sport , of this growing cancerous pimple on the derriere ?

Time those of " Cycling Ireland " chose the 3rd option , OR , vacated their Positions of responsibility !

YES , there will be other Nat. federations , that could " propose " , phat for a 3rd Term , but would they want to run the risk of being FORCED out by their Membership ?

 

[MarkvW]

McQuaid is a puppet. Replacing McQuaid gets you a new puppet. Big wow.

 

[DirtyWorks]

YES , there will be other Nat. federations , that could " propose " , phat for a 3rd Term , but would they want to run the risk of being FORCED out by their Membership ?

How many national federations are democratic? i.e. the members vote, or any kind of influence on the executive board? Not USA Cycling, that is for sure. CI's ordinary operating proceedure is not democratic.

We actually have many similar hopes for cycling, but you've got more enthusiasm than understanding about how the UCI and its member federations operate.

To be clear, I don't know it all about how the various member federations or the UCI itself is run. But my basic understanding is sufficient to understand your above comment is wrong many different ways.

CI just got their Giro stage. That will be good money for a number of CI people. Enough certainly to influence the vote. The third option would be extraordinary if it happened. Historic in fact. But, I doubt it will happen.

Notice how one of the board members was surprised to hear the idea that it might be good for the board to hear both sides of the argument. That's how insulated the board is from outside influence.

 

[skippy]

Since posting the "Comment#40 , about 500 have had a look ! Does this mean , a few are visiting multiple times, or is EVERYONE , sitting on their hands , afraid that " phat mc splat's goons will come visiting ?

Get a grip PEOPLE , NOTHING CHANGES unless YOU ACT !

Numbers mean something , in the street AND on the WEB !

Faceless , you may well be , but there are some that manage National Cycling Federations , that know they are on a slippery slope , once the MEMBERSHIP act !

Look at @GaudryT in Oceania , she is already doing a GOOD JOB ! There are more Feds where MEMBERS can seek a change .

Meanwhile Cycling Ireland NEED to be prompted to act !

Engaging the Individual Members of Cycling Ireland , even by Email , will send the message , THAT THEY NEED TO ACT !

How much more damage can phat do to Cycling , before " Change Cycling Now " and any other Credible Action Group remove him from the path of destruction that he is CREATING ?

 

[hiero2]

How many national federations are democratic? i.e. the members vote, or any kind of influence on the executive board? Not USA Cycling, that is for sure. . .

Yeah - my sentiments, as well. 1st, I am not optimistic that any of this is anything more than posturing, temporary, and ineffective. I don't think WADA means squat to McQuaid or most of the UCI Board. The IOC will, imo, do what is necessary to cya, and not more. Meh, if this is progress, I'll believe it when I see it.

Seems i am the only visitor to CN forum , that wants that "turd " , phat mc splat , removed from influencing OUR Sport !
. . .
NOW , Since none of you , wish to follow MY lead , perhaps MartinVickers , or some other MORE RESPECTED Poster , can THINK of a way to MObilise , the " clinic 12 " or some other FORCE of public Opinion , NOW , to rid Cycling Sport , of this growing cancerous pimple on the derriere ?
. . .

Since posting the "Comment#40 , about 500 have had a look ! Does this mean , a few are visiting multiple times, or is EVERYONE , sitting on their hands , afraid that " phat mc splat's goons will come visiting ? . . .

Skippy - I know you have a history of histrionics, emotionally charged, and dramatic posts and positions, but perhaps you could consider toning it down a little. Frankly, your belief that you are somehow all alone because you don't see everybody in a parade behind you is unrealistic. Perhaps it is possible that 498 of those viewers felt that the important things had already been stated, and they had no need to take center stage to restate what was already there? Perhaps (actually, no perhaps about this one) some people believe in taking action, and do so, just not in the way you prescribe.

So, take my advice, and tone it down. Don't use any personal names again, they could be construed as a personal attack. If you read the posts here, and I believe you do, then you know many ppl believe Pat should go - it seems a widely held belief around here as far as I can tell. So saying that people don't think that is insulting, frankly. That isn't the way to make friends or allies.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

For a senior cycling administrator to sit on WADA makes total sense as cycling is one of the key sports that WADA needs to have on board to implement its program and succeed in its stated mission (if you believe it has this in its best interest - I do). So nothing unusual or corrupt in this..

In following this thread I agree with all the other posters that it is good news McQuaid is no longer on the Executive Committee of WADA and I too am perplexed as to why he was there in the first place.

I also agree generally with Tinman but in my opinion there is an inherent conflict of interest in having the chief executive of any international sporting federation in holding any position with WADA.

WADA must not only be truly independent and free from the influence of any sport, it must also be seen to be independent. Given what WADA is, an international organization committed to drug testing standards, staying current on the science, amending the Code and banned list as necessary and bringing cheating athletes to account, WADA needs to be composed of people whose backgrounds are truly germane to drug testing.

This would generally be scientists, administrators with some expertise in sport (and this does not mean the person needs to be have elite athlete experience) and lawyers who understand the various international legal processes in terms of holding athletes, coaches, DSs (in cycling), team owners, sponsors and event organizers (ASO etc.) to account.

Therefore John Fahey is a logical person to head WADA because of his legal qualifications. They mean a whole lot more than his political or sporting background, about which some of our Aussie friends find objectionable. I have been impressed with Fahey's comments post Armstrong and his rejection of the UCI's ( McQuaid's ) silly comments re: doping in cycling.

Logically speaking, it makes no sense for any international sporting federation president to sit on any WADA executive or committee, so as not to unduly influence WADA in favour of that sport.

Getting rid of McQuaid is a good start.

 

[peterst6906]

McQuaid is a puppet. Replacing McQuaid gets you a new puppet. Big wow.

I don't think that necessarily follows.

While Verbruggen is associated there is always a chance of this, but getting rid of McQuaid is a necessary step in exposing the truth behind UCI corruption over the last 15 years.

Getting of him doesn't guarantee an improvement, but there is no chance of change while he remains there.

 

[DirtyWorks]

In following this thread I agree with all the other posters that it is good news McQuaid is no longer on the Executive Committee of WADA and I too am perplexed as to why he was there in the first place.

Because WADA is directed by the IOC sports federations. Total authority lies with the sports federation. 99% of the time WADA is merely a testing organization. The 1%, when athletes go straight to WADA, they can exercise their power to enforce the athlete's federation rules.

I understand WADA is not sold like this by the IOC members, but that's how it works. Don't take my word for it: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1176806&postcount=68

Pat reports to Hein. Get rid of Hein and replacing him with a Patrice Clerc would be the best path forward. Pat goes and Hein promotes someone. Maybe the guy leading BC, maybe the current road commissioner, whatever. It's back to the next person being directed by Hein.

If the IOC were a crime family, Hein would be a "made" member. His name keeps popping up in unexpected places always related to the IOC's business.

 

[MarkvW]

I don't think that necessarily follows.

While Verbruggen is associated there is always a chance of this, but getting rid of McQuaid is a necessary step in exposing the truth behind UCI corruption over the last 15 years.

Getting of him doesn't guarantee an improvement, but there is no chance of change while he remains there.

The "chance of change" must come from the bottom up. Unless the attitudes of the federations change, any new UCI President is just more of the same. I would suggest that the departure of McQuaid, absent change from below, would be just one more PR device to show that cycling has "turned the page," that this is a "new generation," and that "things are getting better now."

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Because WADA is directed by the IOC sports federations. Total authority lies with the sports federation. 99% of the time WADA is merely a testing organization. The 1%, when athletes go straight to WADA, they can exercise their power to enforce the athlete's federation rules.

I understand WADA is not sold like this by the IOC members, but that's how it works. Don't take my word for it: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1176806&postcount=68

Pat reports to Hein. Get rid of Hein and replacing him with a Patrice Clerc would be the best path forward. Pat goes and Hein promotes someone. Maybe the guy leading BC, maybe the current road commissioner, whatever. It's back to the next person being directed by Hein.

If the IOC were a crime family, Hein would be a "made" member. His name keeps popping up in unexpected places always related to the IOC's business.

Thanks DW.