McClown about CCN

[avanti]

..............They'll keep doing what they do best. Nothing. They don't need to do anything.................

The trouble is that they lots of things - all hurting riders, teams, manufacturers, and fans at both the pro and amateur levels.

 

[Velodude]

Patrick McQuaid's re-election as President.

Rather than trying to influence the majority of National Federations not to vote for McQuaid's re-election it would be more direct, more certain and economical to concentrate on one National Federation - Cycling Ireland.

The UCI Constitution at the relevant Article 51 states:

Article 51

1. The candidates for the presidency shall be nominated by the federation of the candidate.

The candidates for the nine other elected offices shall be nominated by the respective continental confederations.

2. Under penalty of inadmissibility, the nominations must be written in English or in French and deposited at the registered office of the UCI ninety days prior to the date of the Congress.

Kneecap McQuaid by lobbying Cycling Ireland to not nominate McQuaid for re-election in 2013.

I can recall reading chatter on Irish cycling forums weeks ago there was discussion on this intent.

 

[MarkvW]

The trouble is that they lots of things - all hurting riders, teams, manufacturers, and fans at both the pro and amateur levels.

They don't care. A small, provincial, 'good ole boy' cycling universe suits McQuaid--and the people who put him in power--just fine.

 

[sniper]

Patrick McQuaid's re-election as President.

Rather than trying to influence the majority of National Federations not to vote for McQuaid's re-election it would be more direct, more certain and economical to concentrate on one National Federation - Cycling Ireland.

The UCI Constitution at the relevant Article 51 states:



Kneecap McQuaid by lobbying Cycling Ireland to not nominate McQuaid for re-election in 2013.

I can recall reading chatter on Irish cycling forums weeks ago there was discussion on this intent.

good point.
lets see what (if anything) CCN can achieve behind the screens.
I assume they'll have thought of this as well.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Patrick McQuaid's re-election as President.

Rather than trying to influence the majority of National Federations not to vote for McQuaid's re-election it would be more direct, more certain and economical to concentrate on one National Federation - Cycling Ireland.

The UCI Constitution at the relevant Article 51 states:


Kneecap McQuaid by lobbying Cycling Ireland to not nominate McQuaid for re-election in 2013.

I can recall reading chatter on Irish cycling forums weeks ago there was discussion on this intent.

Yes absolutely. Lobbying the federations to change something they directly control is far more likely to succeed. There's a good chance most cycling clubs in Ireland still have member voting rights too, which is another avenue to try. Essentially, clubs holding the federations to account is the only accountability mechanism the whole UCI structure has. It's likely few clubs understand that responsibility though, it's not as if anyone will have spelled it out to them!

The Aussies et al have already got rid of Turtur, that's progress with removing the inner circle. So who else is vulnerable on home turf? It's more about getting the right things happening locally than getting all the national Feds to vote the same way. That really would be like herding cats.

 

[skippy]

good point.
lets see what (if anything) CCN can achieve behind the screens.
I assume they'll have thought of this as well.

( Quote ) " Patrick McQuaid's re-election as President.

Rather than trying to influence the majority of National Federations not to vote for McQuaid's re-election it would be more direct, more certain and economical to concentrate on one National Federation - Cycling Ireland.

The UCI Constitution at the relevant Article 51 states:


Kneecap McQuaid by lobbying Cycling Ireland to not nominate McQuaid for re-election in 2013.

I can recall reading chatter on Irish cycling forums weeks ago there was discussion on this intent.

Quoted this UCI Article 51 in my latest Parrabuddy Blog .

With so many members in the Cycling news Forum , it amazes me that there are only 4620+ signed to the " CCN Petition "!

Where are you people ? Takes seconds to " click " , yet you waffle on , spend days criticing each others language and intellect BUT acting to " burn down phats house " ?

YOU WANT the " clinic " to be recognised as a credible & responsible force in the future of CYCLING ?

ACT TODAY ! http://www.changecyclingnow.org

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Perhaps you are asking to be flamed because your whole post is built on nonsense?

What "corrupt" cyclist did the "Skins dude" make money from??
And Fuller has already declared that if he won his case against the UCI he would put the money back in to the sport.

As for LeMond - a child of 3 could run cycling better than it is now, but regardless, LeMond acknowledged that there are better qualified people than himself to take over and even if it did happen (which it wont) it would be an interim position.

Can you tell me when Skin dude was trying to change cycling before the decision on Armstrong? So see my comment was because all of cycling is and was corrupt. Was he organizing any general assembly of the willing then?

Lemond,,,,,. I just do not think he should place himself up for this position as it makes him look a little naive? Or is it because someone told him it was a good idea?

Change Cycling Now,,, in my opinion is not worth a ****. They had a twitter hero on the attendes list who I assume is a influential group. Twitter interwebs guru. Ok well if that is what it takes then great. For me ......a fan...I do not want to be represented by someone like that.

 

[doperhopper]

Maybe it's a sign the things are going in the right direction - McQuack feels cornered, lacking arguments, so like every hunted fox, starts biting... hope for more mistakes, stupid interviews and other self-drowning moves (does anyone remember his "general amnesty" idea, just few months ago?).

Or maybe he feels he still has a strong political shield to cover him, like the Uniballer barking randomly at anyone, from Andreu and Simeoni up to Landis and Hamilton.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Can you tell me when Skin dude was trying to change cycling before the decision on Armstrong? So see my comment was because all of cycling is and was corrupt. Was he organizing any general assembly of the willing then?

Hi Glenn,
The date was 27 September 2010.
That was when Skins were the sponsor of the New Cycling Pathways anti-doping conference held in Australia at the same time as the Worlds.

Here is Fuller explaining Skins involvement:

"The conference aligns with SKINS' ethos of 'fuelling the true spirit of competition'," said SKINS International CEO, Jaimie Fuller. "SKINS salutes all those who leave their sport better than when they started and respects those who handle themselves with honesty, integrity and class at all times."

You're welcome.

Lemond,,,,,. I just do not think he should place himself up for this position as it makes him look a little naive.

So, anyone going for the position would be naive, this isn't about LeMond per se? Ok.....

 

[thehog]

You are such a doofus sometimes.
I hope you are as wrong as you have been in the past on this one.

Not at all.

Lance and JB are the only ones left that can lift he lid on the UCI. In doing so they have to admit culpability themselves. Lance could have save 5 Tours if he just told a little bit about what went on but he was too weak.

JB is out of cycling for good now. He can save his future on telling the world what the UCI expected.

It's up to those two. I don't expect much but hopefully they've realized that 'deny deny deny' is old school.

 

[thehog]

Not at all.

Lance and JB are the only ones left that can lift he lid on the UCI. In doing so they have to admit culpability themselves. Lance could have save 5 Tours if he just told a little bit about what went on but he was too weak.

JB is out of cycling for good now. He can save his future on telling the world what the UCI expected.

It's up to those two. I don't expect much but hopefully they've realized that 'deny deny deny' is old school.

I will add; Lance is spending $1000 per hour on keeping documents sealed. For what? For McQuaid, for himself?

It's all coming out anyway. All of it.

Armstrong would be better off saving a few hundred thousand let it drift out now so the impact is not so great later on.

He also has to realise is why is he saving McQuaid/Vb?

Take them down, save 500k and then begin the rebuilding process.

Stuck in a holding pattern is the worst place to be...

 

[sniper]

I will add; Lance is spending $1000 per hour on keeping documents sealed. For what? For McQuaid, for himself?

It's all coming out anyway. All of it.

Armstrong would be better off saving a few hundred thousand let it drift out now so the impact is not so great later on.

He also has to realise is why is he saving McQuaid/Vb?

Take them down, save 500k and then begin the rebuilding process.

Stuck in a holding pattern is the worst place to be...

take them down? how?
Whatever Lance says, Mcdrug'm will say Lance is a vindicative liar with an axe to grind, that he has no place in cycling, and that we should concentrate on the bright future of the sport.

 

[thehog]

take them down? how?
Whatever Lance says, Mcdrug'm will say Lance is a vindicative liar with an axe to grind, that he has no place in cycling, and that we should concentrate on the bright future of the sport.

Lance and Hog have evidence. Lots of it.

It will come out one way or the other.

Time is the only factor. Lance saved Pat. The UCI owe him.

 

[coinneach]

I will add; Lance is spending $1000 per hour on keeping documents sealed. For what? For McQuaid, for himself?

It's all coming out anyway. All of it.

Armstrong would be better off saving a few hundred thousand let it drift out now so the impact is not so great later on.

He also has to realise is why is he saving McQuaid/Vb?

Take them down, save 500k and then begin the rebuilding process.

Stuck in a holding pattern is the worst place to be...

I never thought I'd say it, but I agree, Hoggie!

He will be getting lots of expensive advice: it may be they are telling him they are saving money in the long term (whereas of course we know they will also be lining their own pockets)
Time will tell, but it wouldn't be the first time he thought he could just tough it out. Fallen celebs like him often end up in jail when it didn't need to.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Hi Glenn,
The date was 27 September 2010.
That was when Skins were the sponsor of the New Cycling Pathways anti-doping conference held in Australia at the same time as the Worlds.

Here is Fuller explaining Skins involvement:

You're welcome.



So, anyone going for the position would be naive, this isn't about LeMond per se? Ok.....

Thanks for the great info.

The time that skins were an official partner with teams like Rabobank and various tri-guys ----that is fine with you I guess??. He turned a blind eye much the same as Nike and just because you happen to support this Change cycling now and the ridiculous name "charter of the willing" that is not a problem??. Fine each to their own opinion.

No I am not here to say that something along the lines of Change Cycling Now is not needed in some ways but the arrogance I feel from them makes me tune it out. There are certain members of this group Skins Dude included that I feel have no place in it.

No it is not about Lemond except when they (change cycling now) puts it out there that he will be the appointed person it did not make me feel good. I am a Greg Lemond fan and I would not like it if he became the appointed president of the UCI. Just a personal opinion.

After all of that......I think the UCI should change itself they should have a internal revolt. If it does not happen then groups like the ASO, Gazzetta dello Sport, Vuelta, should refuse to allow their race to be run under the UCI guides, and create another Union. Eventually there would be nothing for the UCI to run. They would be useless.

Well it is not like they are worth anything now but the UCI name would be gone.

 

[thehog]

I never thought I'd say it, but I agree, Hoggie!

He will be getting lots of expensive advice: it may be they are telling him they are saving money in the long term (whereas of course we know they will also be lining their own pockets)

Time will tell, but it wouldn't be the first time he thought he could just tough it out. Fallen celebs like him often end up in jail when it didn't need to.

A lawyer will do as their client instructs. Seal the files. So they write letters to seal the files.

A lawyer can advise on the law but they can't advise on the outcome.

Under the law we can forward a motion to keep the documents sealed. Whether this will work we do not know but we can do so at your request.

Lance can't help himself. He thinks he's bucking the system by delaying the inevitable.

He knows what's coming next...

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Lance and Hog have evidence. Lots of it.

It will come out one way or the other.

Time is the only factor. Lance saved Pat. The UCI owe him.

I have a feeling after the new year JB is going to do something. Just a hunch.

Lance will eventually if not coordinated between the two of them have something dropped.

It will effect the UCI greatly and in the end could be the information that dissolves the sorry organization. That does not make JB or Lance any better they are still criminals. But it would be nice to see the UCI explode or implode.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Thanks for the great info.

The time that skins were an official partner with teams like Rabobank and various tri-guys ----that is fine with you I guess??. He turned a blind eye much the same as Nike and just because you happen to support this Change cycling now and the ridiculous name "charter of the willing" that is not a problem??. Fine each to their own opinion.

Thanks for asking me questions - and then answering them for me.
I am glad you took the time to rebut the silly answers I did not give

No I am not here to say that something along the lines of Change Cycling Now is not needed in some ways but the arrogance I feel from them makes me tune it out. There are certain members of this group Skins Dude included that I feel have no place in it.

No it is not about Lemond except when they (change cycling now) puts it out there that he will be the appointed person it did not make me feel good. I am a Greg Lemond fan and I would not like it if he became the appointed president of the UCI. Just a personal opinion.

After all of that......I think the UCI should change itself they should have a internal revolt. If it does not happen then groups like the ASO, Gazzetta dello Sport, Vuelta, should refuse to allow their race to be run under the UCI guides, and create another Union. Eventually there would be nothing for the UCI to run. They would be useless.

Well it is not like they are worth anything now but the UCI name would be gone.

Glenn, you didn't tune in to tune out - you were never on the right frequency in the first place.
None of the above has to do with your earlier position and if you actually read what CCN say they are actually attempting to do what you want them to do, ie change from within after removal of the corruptive element.

 

[thehog]

I have a feeling after the new year JB is going to do something. Just a hunch.

Lance will eventually if not coordinated between the two of them have something dropped.

It will effect the UCI greatly and in the end could be the information that dissolves the sorry organization. That does not make JB or Lance any better they are still criminals. But it would be nice to see the UCI explode or implode.

Toto says it best: http://nyvelocity.com/content/toto/2012/toto-turns-267

McQuaid set up this quack commission as d-fence against Hog going full ***. He'll say nothing and say he's waiting for the commissions findings.

Hog will of course still go full ***. As I said to Joe Papp once. It's the isolation of suspension that kills the most. Too much time to think. You go crazy. Especially just watching everyone in cycling pretending everything is normal and clean. Can you imagine what Hog thinks when he hears McQuaid refer to the 'Armstrong era'?

Hog will implode first.

Lance is a different story.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Toto says it best: http://nyvelocity.com/content/toto/2012/toto-turns-267

McQuaid set up this quack commission as d-fence against Hog going full ***. He'll say nothing and say he's waiting for the commissions findings.

Hog will of course still go full ***. As I said to Joe Papp once. It's the isolation of suspension that kills the most. Too much time to think. You go crazy. Especially just watching everyone in cycling pretending everything is normal and clean. Can you imagine what Hog thinks when he hears McQuaid refer to the 'Armstrong era'?

Hog will implode first.

Lance is a different story.

If Hog goes Full ***, and spills everything he may be talking for weeks if it comes through testimony, or if he files a sworn statement, it could be a thousand pages.

No one will be spared which means many unexpected disclosures and many 'new' villians identified.

If he goes Partial ***, he may spare some, but will for sure get his targeted revenge on his 'A list'.

I still question the relationship with the UCI. If the allegations that they had the UCI in their pockets are true, why was so much effort put into hiding from, covering up, and avoiding testing / testers if there were to be no consequences to a positive?

 

[thehog]

If Hog goes Full ***, and spills everything he may be talking for weeks if it comes through testimony, or if he files a sworn statement, it could be a thousand pages.

No one will be spared which means many unexpected disclosures and many 'new' villians identified.

If he goes Partial ***, he may spare some, but will for sure get his targeted revenge on his 'A list'.

I still question the relationship with the UCI. If the allegations that they had the UCI in their pockets are true, why was so much effort put into hiding from, covering up, and avoiding testing / testers if there were to be no consequences to a positive?

Hog has to admit his own culpability first but he can do that without selling out Lance.

What do you think Brailsford got so spooked? He knows eventually the UCI are going to be found out. He had to break the team away from that connection.

In terms or the UCI and corruption. It's a mutual arrangement. The UCI don't want positives and they also want their guys winning. Bruyneel knew the game. He made sure the team was protected. He paid for that service. He had moles in the UCI and at the Spanish labs. To be successful as USPS was you needed that. You also needed protection from what others were doing. Look at Mayo. If Verbruggen didn't come down on the Mayo he would have won the 2004 Tour and probably 2 more. Did you see what he did at the Dauphine?

The UCI don't go out looking to be corrupt. The teams come to them. It's all part of marginal gains 2001 style.

I should also say the UCI don't want guys like Landis winning the Tour. They made should he didn't. In the process of doing so they've created the sinking quicksand they now find themselves in. Lance is telling Pat he'll keep it all under wraps. But he can't. It's coming out.

All of it.

 

[Tom375]

Hog has to admit his own culpability first but he can do that without selling out Lance.

What do you think Brailsford got so spooked? He knows eventually the UCI are going to be found out. He had to break the team away from that connection.

In terms or the UCI and corruption. It's a mutual arrangement. The UCI don't want positives and they also want their guys winning. Bruyneel knew the game. He made sure the team was protected. He paid for that service. He had moles in the UCI and at the Spanish labs. To be successful as USPS was you needed that. You also needed protection from what others were doing. Look at Mayo. If Verbruggen didn't come down on the Mayo he would have won the 2004 Tour and probably 2 more. Did you see what he did at the Dauphine?

The UCI don't go out looking to be corrupt. The teams come to them. It's all part of marginal gains 2001 style.

I should also say the UCI don't want guys like Landis winning the Tour. They made should he didn't. In the process of doing so they've created the sinking quicksand they now find themselves in. Lance is telling Pat he'll keep it all under wraps. But he can't. It's coming out.

All of it.

When? Why? What's happening? - Do you mean the hog is going to spill the beans in his USADA case? - Or is it to do with the evidence from Fed case being released from seal?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Thanks for asking me questions - and then answering them for me.
I am glad you took the time to rebut the silly answers I did not give


Glenn, you didn't tune in to tune out - you were never on the right frequency in the first place.
None of the above has to do with your earlier position and if you actually read what CCN say they are actually attempting to do what you want them to do, ie change from within after removal of the corruptive element.

how in the? do you know what I was on about in the first place?

You have your own opinion which is based on something I can't really describe here because of the rules.

Who cares what story you linked and gave about Skinz flints. I was on about the skinz promoting cyclist who happen to be corrupt. You happen to like them skinz and obviously biased by your own personal opinions. So all about what I was on about was described in the post above.

I read what they were on about and happen to think if you are going to invite some cancer stick smoking twitter fan to be a voice in the issues ,,,,,and then think that a fan like myself will climb aboard the "cranks for the willing" then you obviously think I'm some type of person who asks for autographs. WRONG.

 

[TrackCynic]

I love the part where PM talks about being "democratically elected". I'm not sure how it is in other countries, but in the US, the federation was effectively purchased for Johnson by Weisel. How many of us voted for Johnson? Zero.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Toto says it best: http://nyvelocity.com/content/toto/2012/toto-turns-267

McQuaid set up this quack commission as d-fence against Hog going full ***. He'll say nothing and say he's waiting for the commissions findings.

Hog will of course still go full ***. As I said to Joe Papp once. It's the isolation of suspension that kills the most. Too much time to think. You go crazy. Especially just watching everyone in cycling pretending everything is normal and clean. Can you imagine what Hog thinks when he hears McQuaid refer to the 'Armstrong era'?

Hog will implode first.

Lance is a different story.

I hear you thehog.

I think or have a little bird that indicates that "Hog" while in despair will pull the smear campaign. Weather or not this all happens in collusion with Lance is yet to be determined but bet money it is something yet to play out.