Media amnesia and reactions

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LugHugger

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coinneach said:
I think Brian comes out of this with great credit, and very little bitterness

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...rian-Smith-told-cyclist-hed-drugs-sacked.html
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You're joking aren't you? Smith has been one of Armstrong's biggest apologists. At the ToC last year when the news of the FBI investigation opening broke, he was all 'move along there's nothing to see here, I'm a mate of Lance and rode with him on Motorola, nothing happened'. Now he's flip flopped because the wind's changed. He's pathetic.
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
In T & R associated with SA this was one of the key concepts. You punish people but less than you would do in return for truth. The argument was that with punishment alone you would not have people willing to come forward, without punishment of sorts amnesty would mean the ancien regime remaining untouched.

To refine it slightly, you can't have a blanket amnesty/amnesia as in Spain post-Franco.

Alternative, if they kick out every doper in the peloton then they could be so hard pressed to find a field that you and I could be lining up come next July.

TJ has requires a careful balance, and a great deal of skill and intelligence by those designing the process, which is why the UCI are the last people who should be trying to organize it for cycling.



Harmon for years was Armstrong lead cheerleader - Lance, Lance, Lance. When anyone raised any questions about Armstrong he dismissed them, he was vicious in his attacks on Landis and Hamilton when they spoke out. He has absolutely no problem in putting the boot into dopers after they get busted and always ignores that he was cheerleading for them for years before.

The Guardian can **** off. They spent years suppressing any criticism of Armstrong, banning anyone from their discussion boards if you so much as questioned Armstrong.
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+1 to this. The Guardian have been appalling in defending Armstrong. The hacks who write cycling for the guardian are some of the biggest cycling omerta protectors. Wiggins should have been calling these guys boneidle w**kers and c***s as they did their utost not to rock the boat!
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
Alternative, if they kick out every doper in the peloton then they could be so hard pressed to find a field that you and I could be lining up come next July.
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And honestly, I've heard rumors about you, 'Mrs.' John Murphy.

I do look good in yellow.
 
The Hitch

The Hitch

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dont know if it has been mentioned here or in another thread but i thought Harmonn was very very good today.

Less holding back, went after Lance, but also went after the people claiming they are shocked by the revelations, mocking them - asif you didnt kinow, and especially bailsford. Was disapointing to see Lance fanboy Backsted defend Bailsford but you cant get everything :D


And he also said in addition to his usual - sport is getting cleaner hurrray, that by no means does it mean the sport is clean.

Far more impressed than i have ever been by his comments.
 
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Mrs John Murphy

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Funny how he isn't shocked and yet spent all those years bashing anyone who questioned Armstrong.

Sorry but Harmon seems to be just trying to re-write his own past here to make himself seem slightly less of a **** but ending up coming off worse.

He needs to look at himself and criticise himself first before throwing others under the bus.
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
Which is ironic because when Landis and Hamilton came out with their accusations he was very strong in attacking Landis and Hamilton.
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David Harmon in person and David Harmon on Eurosport are two different people. Harmon in person has been critical and damning of Armstrong for years. Harmon on Eurosport works for a company that for years had "Planet Armstrong" and then has a lot of viewers who simply dont want to hear that "****"

You want people who have pandered to, and peddled the Lance myth? Their name is at the top of this page.
 
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TheGame said:
David Harmon in person and David Harmon on Eurosport are two different people. Harmon in person has been critical and damning of Armstrong for years. Harmon on Eurosport works for a company that for years had "Planet Armstrong" and then has a lot of viewers who simply dont want to hear that "****"
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It makes sense. I doubt somebody can make a similar case for Phil Liggett... :rolleyes:
 
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cineteq said:
This is the reason LA still hero regardless of being the biggest cheat in sports. :(

"The true tragedy of Lance Armstrong's story isn't about him. It's about the people who have looked at him as inspiration. It's the cyclists and the rehabilitating cancer sufferers to whom Armstrong wasn't a man on a bike but a poster-boy for overcoming the impossible. In the coming weeks while the headlines obsess over the fallout and the implications for the future of cycling, spare a thought anyone sitting in chemotherapy who just lost a little bit of hope."

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/commen...lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-doping-scandal
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A cheat, the biggest or the smallest, is no hero by my definition of "hero". The terms "hero" and "cheat" are opposites, mutually exclusive. And, let us not forget that The PED use is only one portion of the allegations, which also seem to include conspiracy, fraud and maybe even perjury. And consider all the civil suits that will follow in the USADA's wake. And again, weigh LA's lack of credibility and the growing number of fingers being pointed at him. Criminal charges?
 
ManInFull

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Ferminal said:
Anderson knew the truth all along though.
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There has to be a journalist out there who is going to come clean. I want a journalist to say that he or she knew or believed that Armstrong was a doper, but kept quiet because expressing that opinion wasn't good for his or her career at the time.
 
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Mrs John Murphy

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TheGame said:
David Harmon in person and David Harmon on Eurosport are two different people. Harmon in person has been critical and damning of Armstrong for years. Harmon on Eurosport works for a company that for years had "Planet Armstrong" and then has a lot of viewers who simply dont want to hear that "****"

You want people who have pandered to, and peddled the Lance myth? Their name is at the top of this page.
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Then Harmon is very stupid. If you suspect someone, are critical of them in private, but can't/don't want to voice your concerns fine, but don't spend years blowing that person in the public every time you get the chance.

If nothing else is shows the lack of integrity of Harmon that he was unwilling to make a stand as Kimmage and Walsh did, instead he chose to take the pay check and suck on the Armstrong teat.
 
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sairyder said:
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/video/2289856119/phil-anderson-on-lance-armstrong

Phil Anderson eats humble pie and doesn't look comfortable doing it.
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not very impressive, Phil literally says the words "humble pie" but it's just lip service. He still denies that he saw any evidence of Lance doping back in the 90s (exonerating himself of guilt for his *** public stance on the matter), and he says that Lance still earned those tours by beating a bunch of other dopers. Omerta in full effect; don't admit to more than you absolutely have to.
 
the delgados

the delgados

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Mrs John Murphy said:
As we know, much the media at best turned a blind eye to Armstrong's doping and the rumours about it, or worse became cheer-leaders and bandwagon jumpers.

While we're holding riders, officials and DSs to account the media also needs to be held accountable.

So I thought it might be good to collect media reactions - who are holding their hands up, who is re-writing their own history and involvement, who continues to bury their head in the sand and who are the true believers.

The BBC seems to be burying its head in the sand and deleting any comments in the Lance Armstrong discussion about members of Sky named in the report and statements.
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http://video.answers.com/frankie-andreu-and-lance-armstrong-on-speaking-terms-484148908

Some folks just have a job to do.
 
Mrs John Murphy

Mrs John Murphy

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The old doping apologists line. 'They had no choice, they were forced by circumstances.' Excuses, excuses and more whiny self-justification as to why they ****ed up.

Everybody has a choice. They knew what they were doing and they took the easy option and were and are complicit in getting the sport into the mess its in now.
 
the delgados

the delgados

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Mrs John Murphy said:
The old doping apologists line. 'They had no choice, they were forced by circumstances.' Excuses, excuses and more whiny self-justification as to why they ****ed up.

Everybody has a choice. They knew what they were doing and they took the easy option and were and are complicit in getting the sport into the mess its in now.
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Are you referring to Frankie?
 
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