Mental or random cycling statistics

[Samu Cuenca]

There was probably over 100 years where Slovenia and Denmark didn't win 6 between them in total.

They didn't win any between 1776 and 1889 for instance.

Volta a Catalunya was held for the first time in 1911, and if we count 101 years from then, although there obviously wasn't a World Tour at the time, and the current WT races haven't all been the biggest races on the calendar during their entire existence either, then I think we're only on 3 victories during that period (T-A 1987 and 92, Romandie 2010). Since 2011, they've won another 24 (if I've counted them correctly).

 

[rallybanana]

Here's a quick overview of the winning countries of 1 week WT races this year:

Slovenia:
3. P-N, T-A, and Catalunya.

Denmark:
3. Basque, Dauphine, and Suisse.

Australia:
1. TDU.

Belgium:
1. UAE.

UK:
1. Romandie.

Slovenia and Denmark's secret is "quality over quantity". Look at this list of grand tour stage wins by country so far this decade. Just 4 riders for each country produce a large number of wins.

Most stage wins in Tour, Giro and Vuelta by nations

Which country has the most stage wins in the grand tours?

www.procyclingstats.com

 

[RedheadDane]

Another thing to consider with all this, is that Slovenia only gained independency - in it's current form - in 1991.
In other words: Roglic is older than Slovenia.

 

[tobydawq]

Another thing to consider with all this, is that Slovenia only gained independency - in it's current form - in 1991.
In other words: Roglic is older than Slovenia.

Both Roglic and Slovenia are old.

 

[rallybanana]

The gold and silver medal winners at the 2022 Bulgaria Junior Men's TT championship share the same name

Rnk	Rider	Team	UCI	Pnt		Time	Avg
1	GEORGIEV Veselin			10		-
2	GEORGIEV Veselin			8		-
3	TODOROV Daniel			6		-

 

[gunara]

The gold and silver medal winners at the 2022 Bulgaria Junior Men's TT championship share the same name

Rnk	Rider	Team	UCI	Pnt		Time	Avg
1	GEORGIEV Veselin			10		-
2	GEORGIEV Veselin			8		-
3	TODOROV Daniel			6		-

If something like this has to happen, Bulgaria always have a good chance.
I thought Danail Petrov and Daniel Petrov were confusing enough.

 

[DJ Sprtsch]

If something like this has to happen, Bulgaria always have a good chance.
I thought Danail Petrov and Daniel Petrov were confusing enough.

And the Georgievs were only separated by a second.

 

[RedheadDane]

PCS these days is basically just "National Championship, National Championship, National Championship, Superman winning a stage in Colombia, National Championship, National Championship."

 

[QueenStagiaire]

PCS these days is basically just "National Championship, National Championship, National Championship, Superman winning a stage in Colombia, National Championship, National Championship."

Is this a statistic? I know you‘re not good with numbers, but…

 

[RedheadDane]

Is this a statistic? I know you‘re not good with numbers, but…

It's random, and it's dealing with a statistics page.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Two Spaniards born in 1976 who have 16 pro wins each and turned pro in 1998 for Spanish teams, before being exiled first to Relax-Gam in 2007 and later to Rock Racing are still active today at Continental level.

 

[shalgo]

Two Spaniards born in 1976 who have 16 pro wins each and turned pro in 1998 for Spanish teams, before being exiled first to Relax-Gam in 2007 and later to Rock Racing are still active today at Continental level.

One of those Spaniards was in the leader’s jersey in the Vuelta on 16 September 2002, the day Juan Ayuso was born.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

So is their 378 head-to-heads a record?

Will they keep on until one overhauls the other in career pro wins? (currently tied on 16)

 

[Armchair cyclist]

One of those Spaniards was in the leader’s jersey in the Vuelta on 16 September 2002, the day Juan Ayuso was born.

And rode against him in the Spanish Nationals last year.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Riders per nationality 2023 compared with 2003

Ever decreasing numbers...

French: 32/40
Spain: 14/42
Italy: 7/35
German: 7/15
USA!: 6/8
Russian: 0/5
Swiss: 2/5
Czech: 0/2
Ukrainian: 0/2
Croatian: 0/1

Improved numbers

Dutch: 14/7
Belgian: 21/8
Columbia: 5/4
UK: 7/1
Denmark: 11/4
Austrian: 6/4
Anzac: 14/7
Slovenian: 3/1
Luxembourgish: 3/1
Norway: 9/1
Por: 3/1
Kazakhstan: 2/1
Can: 3/0
Polish: 2/0
Costa Rica: 1/0
Ecuador!: 1/0
Slovakia: 1/0
Ethiopia 1/0

Same
RSA 1/1
Latvian: 1/1

 

[Monte Serra]

Riders per nationality 2023 compared with 2003

Ever decreasing numbers...

French: 32/40
Spain: 14/42
Italy: 7/35
German: 7/15
USA!: 6/8
Russian: 0/5
Swiss: 2/5
Czech: 0/2
Ukrainian: 0/2
Croatian: 0/1

Improved numbers

Dutch: 14/7
Belgian: 21/8
Columbia: 5/4
UK: 7/1
Denmark: 11/4
Austrian: 6/4
Anzac: 14/7
Slovenian: 3/1
Luxembourgish: 3/1
Norway: 9/1
Por: 3/1
Kazakhstan: 2/1
Can: 3/0
Polish: 2/0
Costa Rica: 1/0
Ecuador!: 1/0
Slovakia: 1/0
Ethiopia 1/0

Same
RSA 1/1
Latvian: 1/1

The decline of Italian cycling is most evident. But aren't you mixing up Ethiopia and Eritrea?

 

[DJ Sprtsch]

Someone with time on their hands should do the same statistics with riders on World Tour teams.

 

[Izzyeviel]

The decline of Italian cycling is most evident. But aren't you mixing up Ethiopia and Eritrea?

oops..

 

[Ricco']

Someone with time on their hands should do the same statistics with riders on World Tour teams.

2005 vs. 2023 (data at beginning of season):

	2005​				2023​
TOTAL	526​				531​
Spain	102​	19,39%​		France	82​	15,44%​
Italy	98​	18,63%​		Belgium	58​	10,92%​
France	72​	13,69%​		Italy	54​	10,17%​
Belgium	38​	7,22%​		Netherlands	43​	8,10%​
Germany	36​	6,84%​		Germany	35​	6,59%​
Netherlands	29​	5,51%​		Spain	35​	6,59%​
Switzerland	22​	4,18%​		Great Britain	31​	5,84%​
Australia	17​	3,23%​		Australia	27​	5,08%​
United States	16​	3,04%​		Denmark	18​	3,39%​
Denmark	12​	2,28%​		Colombia	15​	2,82%​
Russia	9​	1,71%​		United States	12​	2,26%​
Austria	8​	1,52%​		Austria	11​	2,07%​
Ukraine	6​	1,14%​		New Zealand	11​	2,07%​
Slovenia	6​	1,14%​		Kazakhstan	10​	1,88%​
Kazakhstan	6​	1,14%​		Switzerland	10​	1,88%​
Sweden	4​	0,76%​		Norway	8​	1,51%​
Luxembourg	4​	0,76%​		Slovenia	8​	1,51%​
Czech Republic	4​	0,76%​		Poland	7​	1,32%​
Colombia	3​	0,57%​		Portugal	7​	1,32%​
Estonia	3​	0,57%​		Czech Republic	5​	0,94%​
Portugal	3​	0,57%​		Ecuador	4​	0,75%​
Great Britain	3​	0,57%​		Ireland	4​	0,75%​
Finland	3​	0,57%​		Luxembourg	4​	0,75%​
Norway	3​	0,57%​		Eritrea	4​	0,75%​
New Zealand	2​	0,38%​		Estonia	3​	0,56%​
Canada	2​	0,38%​		South Africa	3​	0,56%​
Poland	2​	0,38%​		Russia	2​	0,38%​
Belarus	2​	0,38%​		Ukraine	2​	0,38%​
South Africa	2​	0,38%​		Ethiopia	2​	0,38%​
Ireland	1​	0,19%​		Latvia	2​	0,38%​
Japan	1​	0,19%​		Finland	1​	0,19%​
Moldova	1​	0,19%​		Belarus	1​	0,19%​
Slovakia	1​	0,19%​		Japan	1​	0,19%​
Uzbekistan	1​	0,19%​		Bahrain	1​	0,19%​
Venezuela	1​	0,19%​		Croatia	1​	0,19%​
Lithuania	1​	0,19%​		Serbia	1​	0,19%​
Croatia	1​	0,19%​		Taiwan	1​	0,19%​
Brazil	1​	0,19%​		Costa Rica	1​	0,19%​
				Lithuania	1​	0,19%​
				Canada	1​	0,19%​
				Hungary	1​	0,19%​
				Puerto Rico	1​	0,19%​
				Brazil	1​	0,19%​
				Slovakia	1​	0,19%​

 

[RedheadDane]

When was the last time the Rainbow Jersey wasn't at display at any point during the TdF?

This year: Neither Evenepoel, nor Foss will be riding
Last year: Alaphilippe didn't ride, Ganna rode
2021: Alaphilippe rode, Ganna didn't ride
2020: Pedersen rode, Dennis didn't ride
2019: Valverde rode, Dennis... didn't ride the ITT
2018: Sagan rode, Dumoulin rode
2017: Sagan rode... for a few days, T. Martin rode
2016: Sagan rode, Kiryienka rode
2015: Kwiatkowski rode, Wiggins didn't ride
2014: Costa rode, T. Martin rode
2013: Gilbert rode, T. Martin rode
2012: Cavendish rode, T. Martin rode
2011: Hushovd rode, Cancellara rode
2010: Evens rode, Cancellara rode

Anyone wanna continue further back in time?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

When was the last time the Rainbow Jersey wasn't at display at any point during the TdF?

This year: Neither Evenepoel, nor Foss will be riding
Last year: Alaphilippe didn't ride, Ganna rode
2021: Alaphilippe rode, Ganna didn't ride
2020: Pedersen rode, Dennis didn't ride
2019: Valverde rode, Dennis... didn't ride the ITT
2018: Sagan rode, Dumoulin rode
2017: Sagan rode... for a few days, T. Martin rode
2016: Sagan rode, Kiryienka rode
2015: Kwiatkowski rode, Wiggins didn't ride
2014: Costa rode, T. Martin rode
2013: Gilbert rode, T. Martin rode
2012: Cavendish rode, T. Martin rode
2011: Hushovd rode, Cancellara rode
2010: Evens rode, Cancellara rode

Anyone wanna continue further back in time?

Do you have trouble with numbers below 2010?

Neither David Millar nor Igor Astarloa participated in the 2004 Tour (Millar had some kind of legal issue, and Astarloa had moved to Lampre, which didn't ride the race). Michael Rogers did ride it, but he hadn't yet been awarded the WC win at the time.

in 1995, Luc Leblanc couldn't start the Tour after his team folded, and Chris Boardman crashed out in the prologue.

 

[RedheadDane]

Do you have trouble with numbers below 2010?

I just got lazy.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I just got lazy.

The problem was that you were simply too ambitious, cause it would have taken you much less time, if you had only written down the instances where it didn't happen.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

When was the last time the Rainbow Jersey wasn't at display at any point during the TdF?

I guess it will be on display, but only in armband form.

 

[RedheadDane]

I guess it will be on display, but only in armband form.

I meant full-on!
And there's a reason I didn't write "No World Champion was riding." Coz, you know, VDP is riding.