Michael Rogers positive for clenbuterol

[SundayRider]

I don't get all this they have to transport meat all over the place. Surely for a few days/week they can get by on pasta/rice/veg and just use whey protein shakes as their protein source? Easy to transport and not contaminated.

 

[veganrob]

I find it curious the documented lengths that cyclists go to, as outlined in various autobiographies, to dope. Getting logistics and timing right for blood withdrawal, processing, storage and reinfusion for key races. Fine-tuning doping regimes, acquiring, storing and injecting / consuming the various PEDs available, to maximise training benefits and racing outcomes.

The boasting by various teams of dedicated chefs at premier races.

Yet when it comes to acquiring food in China that will help avoid testing positive for banned substances, apparently, this is too difficult.

It boggles the mind.

Thank you....

 

[frenchfry]

I find it curious the documented lengths that cyclists go to, as outlined in various autobiographies, to dope. Getting logistics and timing right for blood withdrawal, processing, storage and reinfusion for key races. Fine-tuning doping regimes, acquiring, storing and injecting / consuming the various PEDs available, to maximise training benefits and racing outcomes.

The boasting by various teams of dedicated chefs at premier races.

Yet when it comes to acquiring food in China that will help avoid testing positive for banned substances, apparently, this is too difficult.

It boggles the mind.

Thanks for putting some perspective on this situation.

 

[GJB123]

I think people here are pretty naive when it comes to bringing your own food products into China. China, as many other countries, has very strict import regulations when it comes to bringing along any meat, plants or products derived thereof. In short, you are not allowed to bring along your won food, end of sort.

Then as far as acquiring food in China, how would you go about getting assurance that it is actually non-contaminated food? Please, I am thrilled to learn how easy that supposedly is. I think it beggars belief that people make it out to be that easy. Do you rally suggest testing every piece of food before eating it. THt'as just not realistic.

In the same light I van hardly see Saxo or any other team risking taking along any PED's into China. Benefit would naturally be that they know what they are using in that case. :roll eyes: And as far as acquiring PED's in China, that seems to me to be even more risky than trying to ascertain you are eating uncontaminated food in as far as not knowing what you are putting into your body.

You could ban all meat consumption as Sundayrider suggests, but that still doesn't make it possible to bring your won (other) products into China. And how sure can you be that none of the other products (vegetables, rice, milk, etc.) have nothing untoward in them. China has a long history of food scares and food scandal, so you will be at risk no matter what you do.

Does this aleman that Rogers didn't need ingest clem intentionally? Nope, but I sure would like to keep an open mind until more details become known. As it is, food contamination is still very much a possibility in this particular case and this particular instance.

 

[Benotti69]

I think people here are pretty naive when it comes to bringing your own food products into China. China, as many other countries, has very strict import regulations when it comes to bringing along any meat, plants or products derived thereof. In short, you are not allowed to bring along your won food, end of sort.

Then as far as acquiring food in China, how would you go about getting assurance that it is actually non-contaminated food? Please, I am thrilled to learn how easy that supposedly is. I think it beggars belief that people make it out to be that easy. Do you rally suggest testing every piece of food before eating it. THt'as just not realistic.

In the same light I van hardly see Saxo or any other team risking taking along any PED's into China. Benefit would naturally be that they know what they are using in that case. :roll eyes: And as far as acquiring PED's in China, that seems to me to be even more risky than trying to ascertain you are eating uncontaminated food in as far as not knowing what you are putting into your body.

You could ban all meat consumption as Sundayrider suggests, but that still doesn't make it possible to bring your won (other) products into China. And how sure can you be that none of the other products (vegetables, rice, milk, etc.) have nothing untoward in them. China has a long history of food scares and food scandal, so you will be at risk no matter what you do.

Does this aleman that Rogers didn't need ingest clem intentionally? Nope, but I sure would like to keep an open mind until more details become known. As it is, food contamination is still very much a possibility in this particular case and this particular instance.

I am sure China has pretty strict control. But that has not stopped them buying up huge tracks of fertile land in Africa to feed China which then is imported into China.

Teams arriving for an event bringing their own stuff with them not for sale is not importing in the true sense of commercialism.

So the idea that teams can not prepare doesn't fly.

But i dont buy Rogers contamination. He doped, he got caught, finally and hopefully a 2 year ban is coming.

 

[thehog]

Surely Mick will ask UCI travel for a sample of the meat?

Posted on 25 November 2013

Tour of Beijing

As the Official Travel Partner for the Tour of Beijing UCI Travel managed all travel, logistics and hospitality for the 19 Professional WorldTour teams during the event. And we were treated to some amazing racing and scenery in this truly unique race.

........

Onto the Japan Cup - Michael Rogers (Saxo-Tinkoff) defied the rain and Typhoons to take a solo victory and end his season with a win! The veteran Australian was part of the decisive group that formed on the final lap of the hilly circuit race in Utsunomiya. He then got away with young British rider Josh Edmondson (Team Sky) before attacking again and riding solo to the finish. Using his time trial skills, Rogers continued to gain time all the way to the line.

“In the finale, I managed to go solo and was actually able to enjoy the final kilometers as the margin kept growing. A great way to win, all thanks for the perfect set-up by teammates and a magnificent way to finish the season.”

Michael was beaming at the airport as UCI Travel assisted him and the other Pro World Tour riders on their way home for some well-earned rest and relaxation.

http://www.uci-travel.com/news/articles/tour-of-beijing-and-japan-cup/

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Surely Mick will ask UCI travel for a sample of the meat?



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http://www.uci-travel.com/news/articles/tour-of-beijing-and-japan-cup/

Have we found a UCI pharmacy somewhere?

 

[Netserk]

I am sure China has pretty strict control. But that has not stopped them buying up huge tracks of fertile land in Africa to feed China which then is imported into China.

Teams arriving for an event bringing their own stuff with them not for sale is not importing in the true sense of commercialism.

So the idea that teams can not prepare doesn't fly.

But i dont buy Rogers contamination. He doped, he got caught, finally and hopefully a 2 year ban is coming.

That doesn't matter. AFAIK it'd be impossible for Rogers to import meat into China.

 

[SundayRider]

That doesn't matter. AFAIK it'd be impossible for Rogers to import meat into China.

why can't they just get their protein needs from whey shakes for the time that they are in China?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Then as far as acquiring food in China, how would you go about getting assurance that it is actually non-contaminated food? Please, I am thrilled to learn how easy that supposedly is. I think it beggars belief that people make it out to be that easy. Do you rally suggest testing every piece of food before eating it. THt'as just not realistic.

It's called eating rice and legumes for a few days.

And how sure can you be that none of the other products (vegetables, rice, milk, etc.) have nothing untoward in them. China has a long history of food scares and food scandal, so you will be at risk no matter what you do.

Ahhhh!!! The food menace is everywhere!!! AAAAAHHHHH!!!

Please explain to me HOW a farmer would use clenbuterol in their veggies. Injecting steroids into an eggplant would benefit the farmer?

 

[Benotti69]

That doesn't matter. AFAIK it'd be impossible for Rogers to import meat into China.

Apparently USA olympic team brought their own food to China!

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=3256375

It has been reported that the US Olympic Committee have shipped over almost 13 tonnes of food.

http://www.channel4.com/4food/features/inside-the-olympic-kitchen

 

[timmers]

I find it curious the documented lengths that cyclists go to, as outlined in various autobiographies, to dope. Getting logistics and timing right for blood withdrawal, processing, storage and reinfusion for key races. Fine-tuning doping regimes, acquiring, storing and injecting / consuming the various PEDs available, to maximise training benefits and racing outcomes.

The boasting by various teams of dedicated chefs at premier races.

Yet when it comes to acquiring food in China that will help avoid testing positive for banned substances, apparently, this is too difficult.

It boggles the mind.

The Tour of Bejing started in 2011 and I think this is the first positive that we know of.
Assume he only ate in the hotel with all the other riders. If this was the case he could reasonably assume that he would not eat contaminated meat based on past results.

This assumes that Rodgers hasn't being doping for the last few years and that he ate contaminated meat in China.

Perhaps he ate contaminated meat in Japan or perhaps he doped. Maybe he went out at night and had a snack from a road side stall.

Where is a good investigative cycling journalist when you need them to find out what really happened!

 

[thehog]

Where is a good investigative cycling journalist when you need them to find out what really happened!

He's too busy telling his readers about butterflies landing on team directors shoulders.

 

[Benotti69]

The Tour of Bejing started in 2011 and I think this is the first positive that we know of.
Assume he only ate in the hotel with all the other riders. If this was the case he could reasonably assume that he would not eat contaminated meat based on past results.

This assumes that Rodgers hasn't being doping for the last few years and that he ate contaminated meat in China.

Why does this assume that? How do we know they were testing for Clen the last 2 editions?

Rogers has had the best year of his career at Sky are we to believe that he managed that clean? No chance.

Perhaps he ate contaminated meat in Japan or perhaps he doped. Maybe he went out at night and had a snack from a road side stall.

Where is a good investigative cycling journalist when you need them to find out what really happened!

No cycling journalists are interested in doping. If they show an inclination to go looking for doping they lose access.

 

[sniper]

recall what the German pingponger Ovtcharov did when he tested positive for clen in China: he had all his dining-mates be tested for clen and indeed they found similar amounts of clen in them.

 

[avanti]

...........
Please explain to me HOW a farmer would use clenbuterol in their veggies. Injecting steroids into an eggplant would benefit the farmer?

What data I can find indicates crops are probably not contaminated by pharmaceutical waste. But water contains these wastes, plus many other hazardous materials including heavy metals and pathogens.

 

[zigmeister]

WTF is Matt White talking about? Is this some ploy to act ignorant about what certain PEDs actually do and how they work?

"Clenbuterol isn't a drug that people would use during the race. It's a steroid that would be in your system for a long time if you were using it in a performance enhancing sort of way."

Clen is the nearly exact opposite of what he says...you would use it on race day because it is a beta2 agonist, not a steroid.

 

[sniper]

WTF is Matt White talking about? Is this some ploy to act ignorant about what certain PEDs actually do and how they work?

"Clenbuterol isn't a drug that people would use during the race. It's a steroid that would be in your system for a long time if you were using it in a performance enhancing sort of way."

Clen is the nearly exact opposite of what he says...you would use it on race day because it is a beta2 agonist, not a steroid.

jeez he's whining in that article.

White said, "I am a lot more now. I know that there was one team in particular that didn't eat meat products for the entire time that they were in Beijing. It wasn't our team, but that is the level we’re going to have to go to because at the end of the day unless things change it could be one of my riders next time.

poor cyclists. eat veggie for a coupla days.
ojojojoj. poor lads.

WTF is Matt White talking about?

you mean WTF is Matt White still doing in cycling?

 

[thehog]

WTF is Matt White talking about? Is this some ploy to act ignorant about what certain PEDs actually do and how they work?

"Clenbuterol isn't a drug that people would use during the race. It's a steroid that would be in your system for a long time if you were using it in a performance enhancing sort of way."

Clen is the nearly exact opposite of what he says...you would use it on race day because it is a beta2 agonist, not a steroid.

He means, WTF is a guy testing positive for? I doped for years and never troubled a lab! The UCI has a lot to anwser for by testing guys and actually allowing them to test positive.

 

[Justinr]

So White moans that there was one team in particular that only ate veggies. Well maybe thats the kind of marginal gain you need to make to ensure you perform at your best...

 

[la_bicicleta]

Why does this assume that? How do we know they were testing for Clen the last 2 editions?


Rogers has had the best year of his career at Sky are we to believe that he managed that clean? No chance.




No cycling journalists are interested in doping. If they show an inclination to go looking for doping they lose access.

The UCI claims they have been testing for Clanbuterol:

"Since the Tour of Beijing was introduced in 2011 by the UCI-owned Global Cycling Promotion, some have whispered that the UCI was not testing for clenbuterol during that race.

On Friday, UCI officials said that is not the case.

“All samples are analyzed for clenbuterol, in any WADA lab. It’s a routine analysis,” a UCI official said via email. “That means all samples from the Tour of Beijing were analyzed for clenbuterol. Same for Japan.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/12/news/uci-says-all-samples-checked-for-clenbuterol_311700

 

[sniper]

So White moans that there was one team in particular that only ate veggies. Well maybe thats the kind of marginal gain you need to make to ensure you perform at your best...

the fact that all those teams except one ate chinese meat should be good news for rogers, at least if he wants to prove the contaminated meat hypothesis.

 

[Justinr]

the fact that all those teams except one ate chinese meat should be good news for rogers, at least if he wants to prove the contaminated meat hypothesis.

Only if they test +ve too ... don't remember reading about a load more.

 

[Benotti69]

The UCI claims they have been testing for Clanbuterol:

"Since the Tour of Beijing was introduced in 2011 by the UCI-owned Global Cycling Promotion, some have whispered that the UCI was not testing for clenbuterol during that race.

On Friday, UCI officials said that is not the case.

“All samples are analyzed for clenbuterol, in any WADA lab. It’s a routine analysis,” a UCI official said via email. “That means all samples from the Tour of Beijing were analyzed for clenbuterol. Same for Japan.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/12/news/uci-says-all-samples-checked-for-clenbuterol_311700

Do we believe the UCI all of a sudden?

I dont.

 

[veganrob]

Apparently USA olympic team brought their own food to China!

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=3256375



http://www.channel4.com/4food/features/inside-the-olympic-kitchen

Yes, so the argument that a team cannot bring their own food is proved wrong.

At the 2008 Beijing Olympics there were 5000 blood and urine tests on athletes. One clenbuterol positive.
Apparently everybody was bringing their own food.