Millar - "We found our mojo"

[blackcat]

Mojo now the sobriquet for AICAR?

"It is an odd thing in sport," a relaxed Millar said, when asked about the team's turnaround. "Sometimes it is just a question of mojo. When Tyler (who? Tyler Tuboat Hamilton? That was years ago Davey Boy, ohh, you meant Farrar, ok, woopsy) won, I think we had four or five wins in the space of the week. That is very unlike us... so, yes, I think it has changed some certain things.

"I think Ryder’s victory was enormous. That was great to see and he is becoming a great rider. The team is changing, (yeah, no $hit) we are growing. We are only two years old…in fact, we are not even two years at this level. So it is normal (agree, peloton default status) that we are taking steps and getting bigger and bigger."

 

[auscyclefan94]

Mojo now the sobriquet for AICAR?

Person wins a stage and you yell doper. That's just sad. trolling to the max!

 

[pedaling squares]

Person wins a stage and you yell doper. That's just sad. trolling to the max!

Agreed. A top quality time trialist won a medium length ITT. In a GT absent many of the world's top time trialists. Shocker!

 

[blackcat]

it was a comment on a team wide program. Not one rider.

I think arguably, Garmin have had the most successful second half of the year, and we are told they are a clean team. Yeah right.

 

[elapid]

While this is in the doping thread, I definitely think Millar is clean. The stage suited his characteristics and he has long targeted similar stages unsuccessfully. I am glad he finally came up with the win. I know he has part ownership of Garmin and therefore has a vested interest in the team, but by all accounts he left Saunier because he knew what was going on there in regards to doping. I would hope that he would have the backbone if a similar thing was happening at Garmin. Blind hope maybe, but hope nonetheless.

 

[blackcat]

While this is in the doping thread, I definitely think Millar is clean. The stage suited his characteristics and he has long targeted similar stages unsuccessfully. I am glad he finally came up with the win. I know he has part ownership of Garmin and therefore has a vested interest in the team, but by all accounts he left Saunier because he knew what was going on there in regards to doping. I would hope that he would have the backbone if a similar thing was happening at Garmin. Blind hope maybe, but hope nonetheless.

have you not learnt anything?

I would not trust Millar as far as I could throw him. He of the "I am not even doing recovery therapy" and "I only doped twice".

Come on, to speak in code like "recovery therapy" means he is very much part of the omerta and mechinations. Was telling everyon Wiggins would pump the final chrono in the Tour this year. Guy is not trustworthy.

I do not trust his status on Saunier. He came in and was supporting Mayo in one of the early mtn stages in 2006, from having over 2 years out, and no GTs in those years.

Sciandri got him to Cecchini. The guy is just not credible.

What is galling, he takes pot shots at Saunier Duval, when they gave him a chance. Everyone knows what Matxin and Gianetti run at Saunier. It was no secret.

But to hear him pot them, and make his program like good, is the height of hypocrisy.

My source who was inside Saunier for a time, he had roomed with Ricco, now my source was clean. Saunier did not run a systematic program. So, effectively, it was the same as what Garmin is running. They may have required results, and encouraged riders to go off and seek "help" but they were not running a systematic program.

Lets see if Vaughters dumps riders who are probably clean, Lowe, Peterson, Duggan, and brings in riders like Keschiakoff or whatever, who are probably doing the default behaviour of the peloton. Whatever their blood parameters say.

 

[Anonymous]

funny but you guys are screwed by a blind attention syndrome.

What team just in the mountains were suffering with stomach issues? Now one member drops out and one of the remaining team members hammers the timetrial at the end of a GT????????????????

No explination necessary for me. Wiggins started my skeptical vision and this puts a ! on it.

Trolling? WTF sounds like a ***** named rational head over at the DPF. Go and eat a bag of farts for your troll.

 

[forty four]

so miller wins an itt and hes doped to? so he who wins is doped? find another god damned sport so your physical and mental frailties can be supported more properly im just ashamed to be a cyclist most the time at least regarding people on these forums. drugs are not magic as much as some would prefer. face reality these guys are just better than you mentally and physically mainly mentally accept it and do better or move on. i would enjoy riding with some people on here but not for the conversation lol.

 

[blackcat]

so miller wins an itt and hes doped to? so he who wins is doped? find another god damned sport so your physical and mental frailties can be supported more properly im just ashamed to be a cyclist most the time at least regarding people on these forums. drugs are not magic as much as some would prefer. face reality these guys are just better than you mentally and physically mainly mentally accept it and do better or move on. i would enjoy riding with some people on here but not for the conversation lol.

I reckon there is a chance Millar might be clean. But alot of his teammates on the A squad/team/program, are not clean. The "mojo" reference is BS, like the sweat wicking jerseys, the gluten free diet, the efficient bearings, the deep dish wheels. All that crap.

 

[pedaling squares]

I reckon there is a chance Millar might be clean. But alot of his teammates on the A squad/team/program, are not clean. The "mojo" reference is BS, like the sweat wicking jerseys, the gluten free diet, the efficient bearings, the deep dish wheels. All that crap.

Any elite athlete will tell you that confidence is a fickle yet crucial thing. Farrar flirted with victory on several occasions, as did many teammates. When he finally won a GT stage, and then Millar's Vuelta roommate won a stage after coming oh so close earlier in the week, you can be sure that the atmosphere on the team bus was infinitely more positive. Success breeds success. I cannot tell you that Garmin riders don't use PED's, but I don't think that intangibles like confidence and emotional highs can be overlooked. Besides, the team has won a few races in the past two weeks, it's not like they are challenging Columbia in the win column.

And you're not being fair with the bearing/wheel comment. Modern equipment does have its advantages. There's a reason why nobody in the Pro tour is riding steel frames with Nuovo Record.

 

[BroDeal]

Modern equipment does have its advantages. There's a reason why nobody in the Pro tour is riding steel frames with Nuovo Record.

Manufacturers pay teams to use the products they can make the greatest profits on?

 

[pedaling squares]

Manufacturers pay teams to use the products they can make the greatest profits on?

Ha. Yeah, I was waiting for that. There is a lot of truth to what you write, no doubt the gains from new products are not everything the manufacturers claim. But JV's point, if I recall accurately, was that the modern bike is lighter and stiffer, with better bearings etc. We can't ignore the truth in that statement, equipment gains have been significant in the past decade and they must have some advantage to today's rider. I guess my point is that, even in a sport rife with cheats we can't simply cry 'Dope' and ignore any other potential explanation.

 

[auscyclefan94]

so miller wins an itt and hes doped to? so he who wins is doped? find another god damned sport so your physical and mental frailties can be supported more properly im just ashamed to be a cyclist most the time at least regarding people on these forums. drugs are not magic as much as some would prefer. face reality these guys are just better than you mentally and physically mainly mentally accept it and do better or move on. i would enjoy riding with some people on here but not for the conversation lol.

agreed. they should follow ping pong if they are going to call everyone a doper.

 

[Ripper]

agreed. they should follow ping pong if they are going to call everyone a doper.

You guys are being unfair to the 'Cat. It sounds like he is just cynical from all that's happened in terms of doping in cycling, and not really wanting a message that is so in your face about being clean, when it seems less than likely that they are all really that clean!

FWIW, I think Miller does not dope.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Millar has had how many wins since his return?
One ITT, which he targetted and rested up for.
Won by a meagre 5 seconds and is the true specialist of the peloton.

I don't like the guy, but if he couldn't win this, then what hope for the rest of the entire peloton?

If we think there is chance Millar could be clean, then we should take it.
Otherwise, the FBs have a point...........

 

[Frosty]

have you not learnt anything?

I would not trust Millar as far as I could throw him. He of the "I am not even doing recovery therapy" and "I only doped twice".

Come on, to speak in code like "recovery therapy" means he is very much part of the omerta and mechinations. Was telling everyon Wiggins would pump the final chrono in the Tour this year. Guy is not trustworthy.

Bit of a case of damned if you do, damned if you dont, isnt it? If he didnt say he wasnt doing recovery therapy then someone would pop up here saying that he was probably doing it rather than being completely clean. He denies it and then you say that means he is doping.

As for using a code like recovery therapy, well knowing what goes on doesnt mean you are involved.

I do not trust his status on Saunier. He came in and was supporting Mayo in one of the early mtn stages in 2006, from having over 2 years out, and no GTs in those years.

What stage was he supporting Mayo in 2006? They werent on the same team until 2007.

Sciandri got him to Cecchini. The guy is just not credible.

What is galling, he takes pot shots at Saunier Duval, when they gave him a chance. Everyone knows what Matxin and Gianetti run at Saunier. It was no secret.

FWIW i remember that after the Ricco ban, Millar said something along the lines of 'the manager is a good bloke but there are some bad people influencing him.' Of course, some people popped up on forums to criticise him for not laying in more...

But to hear him pot them, and make his program like good, is the height of hypocrisy.

My source who was inside Saunier for a time, he had roomed with Ricco, now my source was clean. Saunier did not run a systematic program. So, effectively, it was the same as what Garmin is running. They may have required results, and encouraged riders to go off and seek "help" but they were not running a systematic program.

Lets see if Vaughters dumps riders who are probably clean, Lowe, Peterson, Duggan, and brings in riders like Keschiakoff or whatever, who are probably doing the default behaviour of the peloton. Whatever their blood parameters say.

Not saying i dont have doubts but just think you are being a bit hard on him. As for the TT win yesterday, i was surprised at how little he won it by. I'd have thought that, even with the climb in, he would have beaten the GC guys by more considering that he had had an easier few stages than them.

 

[elapid]

have you not learnt anything?

I would not trust Millar as far as I could throw him. He of the "I am not even doing recovery therapy" and "I only doped twice".

Have I not learned anything? What, just because you say it, it means it is true and I have to trust you implicitly? Sorry, it doesn't work that way Blackcat. I have my own mind and can think for myself. You are not my teacher or professor. You are just offering another opinion on a forum, and from no more authority than the majority of us. You have your suspicions and they may well be true, but I will need more than suspicions to convince me that Millar is doping and there is systematic doping in Garmin. I have always been suspicious of CVV's 2008 TdF performance and I am of Wiggins this year, but I am not of Millar. And if you read my entire post, you would have noted that I also have a healthy dose of scepticism regarding doping within Garmin when I ended with:

Blind hope maybe, but hope nonetheless.

 

[blackcat]

actually, when I said "have you not learned anything" it was just an aphorism. I basically meant, Millar is not trustrworthy. I was not precluding your right to an opinion.

I do not think Millar is necessarily doping with that performance. My gripe is just with the continuing spin. Not has his performance as an individual.

Perhaps I was too ambiguous and it read incorrectly. I should have been more explicit with my criticism.

 

[elapid]

actually, when I said "have you not learned anything" it was just an aphorism. I basically meant, Millar is not trustrworthy. I was not precluding your right to an opinion.

I do not think Millar is necessarily doping with that performance. My gripe is just with the continuing spin. Not has his performance as an individual.

Perhaps I was too ambiguous and it read incorrectly. I should have been more explicit with my criticism.

Apologies. One of those lost in translation internet moments. Peace.

 

[pmcg76]

I reckon there is a chance Millar might be clean. But alot of his teammates on the A squad/team/program, are not clean. The "mojo" reference is BS, like the sweat wicking jerseys, the gluten free diet, the efficient bearings, the deep dish wheels. All that crap.

The whole Garmin slating really baffles me, Wiggins rode a great Tour but I think that had a lot to do with a weak route, if the Tour route had been like the Giro, Wiggins would have been lucky to be Top 10.CVV has improved big time I admit but he did have decent GT perfromances before. Other than Farrar who is a sprinter after all, I dont see any huge improvements from Garmin riders, Zabriskie is nowhere near the rider he was with CSC, Danielson went well briefly but ultimately failed again, Millar won a TT on which he focused in a GT missing most of the big names, big deal, he hasnt done much else. This is far more believable than the likes of Heras etc winning TTs in major Tours. Hysjedal won from a break, Sutton won at the Tour of Britain, Dan Martin was poor on his GT debut. Where is all the stunning performances evidence to suggest Garmin are running a team doping programme.

Yes there is a lot of PR bull**** but last year, Paul Kimmage spent time with Garmin at the Tour and he backed their approach to cycling, I tend to believe Kimmage so I believed in what Garmin were doing including CVV. Now I know there are a lot of scientists!!! on here and I am not as well tuned in as I have always felt when science becomes prevalent, sports loses it appeal. I used to hate Boardman when he started spouting Watts, kilos etc so I dont like getting in too deep. I have been here from the start and most will know I am not some non-questioning fanboy but neither am I as cynical as Blackcat or others. Maybe its just me but there are a few like Blackcat who spend most of their time here in the clinic and are rarely heard of in the racing section. That is just sad as they are more interested in the doping side than the racing side of the sport.

However the association with Contador is puzzling to me, I would lose respect for JV if they sign Contador but this does not extend to the whole team. For me Garmin get the benefit of the doubt until there is some more evidence available or sign Contador, seriously all people seem to be basing the accusations on are the performance of Wiggins at the Tour.

 

[the truth.]

loved the TT, mighty course.

 

[British Pro Cycling]

loved the TT, mighty course.

Yes it was a good one. I was pleased for Millar, but shame Evans couldn't have won it.

 

[Anonymous]

Yes it was a good one. I was pleased for Millar, but shame Evans couldn't have won it.

Troll alert!!!

 

[131313]

Mojo now the sobriquet for AICAR?

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[blackcat]

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grow up.

You can be as oblivious you like to Wiggins hemoglobin patterns, that follow the first half like Armstrong. You can deny Millar's past record.