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Miller is who he is. I like him for it. Others don't.
He doesn't always say what you wish he'd say, but life would be pretty boring if everyone was predictable.
 
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thingswelike said:
Miller is who he is. I like him for it. Others don't.
He doesn't always say what you wish he'd say, but life would be pretty boring if everyone was predictable.

You don't go on and say things about his ex-wife. Classless. Like Millar even knows.

He's a ****.

Can't wait to hear JV/Garmin dance around on this one.

They should make him rescind the comment.
 
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Colm.Murphy said:
You don't go on and say things about his ex-wife. Classless. Like Millar even knows.

He's a ****.

Can't wait to hear JV/Garmin dance around on this one.

They should make him rescind the comment.

If there's a 'tw' in all those asterisks, I probably agree. There's just something about his surliness and outspokenness that appeals though. ymmv. He's definitely got that gladiatorial spirit though.
Edit: You've got to admit - entering into the avenues of Barcelona last year was a pretty special moment.
 
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If there's a 'tw' in all those asterisks, I probably agree. There's just something about his surliness and outspokenness that appeals though. ymmv. He's definitely got that gladiatorial spirit though.
Edit: You've got to admit - entering into the avenues of Barcelona last year was a pretty special moment.

That doesn't justify or excuse his comments. He's trying to have his cake and eat it too, while shltting in Floyd's soup at the same time. It's a dyck move, simple as that.
 
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May 20 comes along, and all of the sudden I am defending and supporting Floyd Landis.

I might as well go completely nuts and defend Millar here as well.

I suppose that I can see how some 'decent' folks within cycling might carry a grudge with Floyd. And, how the coming clean after four years of the wild PR campaign could be hard to swallow.

I definitely appreciated LeMond's acceptance the best, but I could understand how Millar could be perturbed. Then again, I am not a big believer that his team is clean any more either.

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Are we all forgetting what Landis did to Lemond? That was by far the sleaziest thing that has ever been done in the history of this sport. If that is not off limits I do not know what is. I do not like Lemond's way of calling out riders, but what Floyd did to him was flat out wrong. Miller in a way was defending his teammates and the accusations that were made against the former Postal riders. And why are we defending Floyd? A couple weeks ago we were talking about the scum that he is. This is the guy that put the biggest black spot on our sport, getting caught after winning the biggest race of them all and wants to come clean but is not willing to admit to the thing that toppled his world.
IMO, Millar has always come across as arrogant & hypocritical.
He is just staying true to form.
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And Floyd isn't? If he had a big R in a circle on his chest his conscience would have been fine. The fact of the matter is he is doing this because Lance did not give him the contract he felt that he deserved.
 
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Are we all forgetting what Landis did to Lemond? That was by far the sleaziest thing that has ever been done in the history of this sport. I do not like Lemond's way of calling out riders, but what Floyd did to him was flat out wrong. Miller in a way was defending his teammates and the accusations that were made against the former Postal riders. And why are we defending Floyd? A couple weeks ago we were talking about the scum that he is. This is the guy that put the biggest black spot on our sport, getting caught after winning the biggest race of them all and wants to come clean but is not willing to admit to the thing that toppled his world.

Come now, Lemond forgave Landis. Landis had the ultimate gumption to seek out and give a proper apology to Lemond.

Will you hold a grudge on something you have nothing to do with?
 
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Are we all forgetting what Landis did to Lemond? That was by far the sleaziest thing that has ever been done in the history of this sport. If that is not off limits I do not know what is. I do not like Lemond's way of calling out riders, but what Floyd did to him was flat out wrong. Miller in a way was defending his teammates and the accusations that were made against the former Postal riders. And why are we defending Floyd? A couple weeks ago we were talking about the scum that he is. This is the guy that put the biggest black spot on our sport, getting caught after winning the biggest race of them all and wants to come clean but is not willing to admit to the thing that toppled his world.

And Floyd isn't? If he had a big R in a circle on his chest his conscience would have been fine. The fact of the matter is he is doing this because Lance did not give him the contract he felt that he deserved.

I don't think anyone is defending Floyd (I'm not). I'm criticising Millar.
 
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Come now, Lemond forgave Landis. Landis had the ultimate gumption to seek out and give a proper apology to Lemond.

Will you hold a grudge on something you have nothing to do with?
Lemond for gave Landis after he was willing to try to take down his complete enemy. I am not holding a grudge. I think that event showed what Floyd was all about. I think it is funny that this forum has a problem with Mr. Miller talking about Floyd's drinking problems while forgetting what Floyd has done in the past.
 
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Lemond for gave Landis after he was willing to try to take down his complete enemy. I am not holding a grudge. I think that event showed what Floyd was all about. I think it is funny that this forum has a problem with Mr. Miller talking about Floyd's drinking problems while forgetting what Floyd has done in the past.

So, now Lemond is somehow complicit, since Lemond has been chasing Lance for years? Wow.

I have a problem with Millar publicly talking about Floyd's drinking when he is quickly quick to forget his own drinking.

It is called hypocrisy.

He picks the scab of Floyd's ex-wife to the press. That is vile.
 
A few riders like Millar, Zabriskie, and Tommy D. allow me to have some faith in Garmin. Those riders have had a marked decrease in performance since they joined the "clean" team. I can believe that might be a sign that they are now riding clean. Quotes like this from Millar do a pretty good job of undermining whatever belief I have in the team.

Millar, what a tool. The personal stuff was completely unnecessary, and it makes it look like he is trying stick it to Landis.

Garmin-Transfusions indeed.
 
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the past is the past

"If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said. "He'd have a different book out. He'd have not lost a penny. He'd be admired by young people. He would have a different life ahead of him. He'd be in a decent mental state. He'd be sober."

Hey those are things in the past. I dont understand why all these guys want to talk about Floyd's past. Lets put that behind us. Lets talk about the present and the future Dave. What about that article in the NYT today? How do you deal with racing against a guy who might use some of test-beating techniques today? How does the UCI avoid conflicts of interest today? How does Garmin deal with people getting around the passport?

It almost seems as if Millar is more interested in giving Floyd advice, than in addressing the problems in the sport. I always wanted to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, no more. I put him with Vande Velde now.

Still waiting on Dave Z
 
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Lemond for gave Landis after he was willing to try to take down his complete enemy. I am not holding a grudge. I think that event showed what Floyd was all about. I think it is funny that this forum has a problem with Mr. Miller talking about Floyd's drinking problems while forgetting what Floyd has done in the past.
Lemond was speaking out contrary to omerta, which made him the enemy, at any and all costs. Anything goes when you do that. Wouldn't be surprised if they're turning similar screws on Flandis now, though unless they go after his parents somehow or something I don't think they have anything to use, which is another reason for why he probably was willing to speak now.

Think of the pro cycling world as an alternate universe. What is done within their world has different rules. It's not really fair to judge conduct in that world with real world standards. Lemond knew what he was up against, took the risk, and paid the price. Now Flandis is getting it from Millar.

Besides, we'll never know if Flandis was really going to go through with the threat to reveal Lemond's secret, or was just bluffing, since Lemond decided to spill the beans himself.
 
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Are we all forgetting what Landis did to Lemond? That was by far the sleaziest thing that has ever been done in the history of this sport. If that is not off limits I do not know what is. I do not like Lemond's way of calling out riders, but what Floyd did to him was flat out wrong. Miller in a way was defending his teammates and the accusations that were made against the former Postal riders. And why are we defending Floyd? A couple weeks ago we were talking about the scum that he is. This is the guy that put the biggest black spot on our sport, getting caught after winning the biggest race of them all and wants to come clean but is not willing to admit to the thing that toppled his world.

And Floyd isn't? If he had a big R in a circle on his chest his conscience would have been fine. The fact of the matter is he is doing this because Lance did not give him the contract he felt that he deserved.

Did Mum never teach you two wrongs don't make a right?
 
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Wait I'm sure I read an interview with Millar(can't remember where a newspaper/cycling mag, I'll recheck through my cycling mags)and it was along the lines of this;

"We've noticed that when I'm in a break, the speed of the peloton increases....."

So maybe he has to say these things to make sure those mean boys riding bikes don't ride so fast and stop him from winning. Anyway I'm sure now the peloton will decrease the pace when he's in a break now.
Millar has mad it to 2 finishes in GT breakaways. In the Tour and the Giro. If the peloton wanted to catch him, where did Millar manage to hold this speed. One may say "his two speed".
 
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Maybe you could explain how any of it isn't true.

True or not is not the issue. Some things are simply over the line.

Mr. Millar, in his own hypocrisy, stepped over it in my view.

Since he can't seem to find the sense to applaud Landis for FINALLY coming clean, and providing the info long sought by USADA and others, he has gone to attack Landis and looks the fool for doing it.
 
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Yea, the personal comment sounds like something I would say, and I don't condone my behavior, especially when someone else does it.
 
Remind me, before clean David Millar joined Garmin who was he riding for and achieving good results with? Oh yes, SD, that team that ran into a few problems with three of its riders getting bounced for doping in quick succession. And David you never noticed anything when you were there? Never said anything.

Millar has put into words what a lot of us have suspected. All his 'I am clean' schtick is bull****. He, Rogers, CVV are as much defenders of Omerta as Pozzato and Ekimov were.

What a ****ing ****.
 
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Millar has always been my least favorite rider. Even before he got busted, he was a whiny baby. Oh, the climb in the Vuelta is too steep so I'm going to stop at the finish line and sit down and whine. Then he gets caught doping and suddenly becomes full of sorrow, but after that somehow winds up on a team that is supposedly completely against doping -- unless it happened in the past!?!? More recently, his chain breaks near the end of a stage and he throws his bike. Poor baby. Boo hoo.

And now he has to open his mouth again about FL. Who the hell is he to offer an opinion. Just STFU.
 
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I remember reading interviews with Miller, when he said that getting caught turned out to be a good thing -- he didn't have to live the lie.

Landis spills his guts, tired of living the lie, yet he wants to burn down the house.

Millar has showed his true colors here -- the married and sober comments were weak.

Garmin has not helped itself during this -- JV's seems cowardly, CVV comments were wormy, and his holiness Millar is a joke.

At least DZ said to say hello to Landis.
 
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since the link was posted in the thread I started and may have been missed, hear it is:

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_15175682

"If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said. "He'd have a different book out. He'd have not lost a penny. He'd be admired by young people. He would have a different life ahead of him. He'd be in a decent mental state. He'd be sober.

"And he'd be married."

He left out one part: he's probably still be doping...

Everything Millar says is probably true. Of course, Millar has made it pretty clear he doesn't understand the definition of 'man up'. He admitted enough to appear contrite, not enough to be out of the game. His interest was pretty clearly his own, not the sport's.

Now, he's resorting to the same tactics as LA, personal attacks rather than addressing the content of Floyd's comments. Notice though that he never refutes a single Landis allegation, he just attacks him personally.

Seems like a classic intimidation and obfuscation move to me, and really unfortunate.
 
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Millar has mad it to 2 finishes in GT breakaways. In the Tour and the Giro. If the peloton wanted to catch him, where did Millar manage to hold this speed. One may say "his two speed".

Yeah I'm not saying the moment Millar goes into a break it's doomed, it's just the way it came across in the interview "when I'm in......" as that was punishment from some in the peloton who weren't "fans" of his new "anti-doping" stance.