Moderation

[red_flanders]

You see what you get for posting this?!

I asked for it!

 

[SHAD0W93]

I asked for it!

Blink twice if you need help.

 

[red_flanders]

Blink twice if you need help.

My safe word is "Palomino".

 

[Potomac]

My safe word is "Palomino".

I thought everybody's safe word was "lasagna"

 

[jmdirt]

My safe word IS safe.

 

[Berniece]

Is it also a no-go to ask how long people are banned? For example Froome, is he banned for life or a week or...?

 

[RedheadDane]

Is it also a no-go to ask how long people are banned? For example Froome, is he banned for life or a week or...?

Apparently it is...

 

[kingjr]

Apparently it is...

Probably to try and avoid a ton of bickering about why X only gets 2 days while Y gets 2 weeks, accusations of double-standards and hypocrisy, etc. etc.

 

[Red Rick]

Apparently it is...

It's not a no-go, you're not gonna ge banned for asking. You're just not gonna get an answer either. I also never answered this, precisely for reasons @kingjr mentions.

 

[Tim Cahill]

You can usually tell if its perm as you can't see their feed anymore, so Froome will return.

However I can still see hogs profile, maybe he had some defacto perm ban like 100 years or something.

 

[SHAD0W93]

You can usually tell if its perm as you can't see their feed anymore, so Froome will return.

However I can still see hogs profile, maybe he had some defacto perm ban like 100 years or something.

100 years without parole probably.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Is it also a no-go to ask how long people are banned? For example Froome, is he banned for life or a week or...?

As long as he’s back before July 27th, 2025 so we know he’s still doing well.

 

[E_F_]

Moderator Mode:
We are not here to argue the rights or wrongs of the cause the protesters were espousing, not to replicate their propaganda materials (whether in support or objection).

But we are allowed to condemn protests at bike races... Why? Are we allowed to praise protests at bike races?

edit: moved this to here, because it belongs here.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I can get cycling fans wanting to vent about cycling being interrupted. I can't imagine people wanting to defend an interruption other than in order to express their support for the cause. I'm sure we all believe in the principle of protest and free expression, so let's assume that that does not need to be said.

But there is a no politics rule, so I would rather ward people off getting into political discussion on the back of it, or exposing people to propaganda being quoted, than have to people start discussing issues that don't belong here.

 

[Red Rick]

Seeing as protesters nearly caused a crash of riders in a pro cycling race I'd say it doesn't really require discussion politics to show discontent about the method of protesting.

It's about method of protesting versus discussing the subject of the protest. Frankly, I don't understand how it's difficult to seperate these two.

 

[Lequack]

Is it also a no-go to ask how long people are banned? For example Froome, is he banned for life or a week or...?

Or @Cycling111

 

[E_F_]

Seeing as protesters nearly caused a crash of riders in a pro cycling race I'd say it doesn't really require discussion politics to show discontent about the method of protesting.

It's about method of protesting versus discussing the subject of the protest. Frankly, I don't understand how it's difficult to seperate these two.

Obviously they did a horrible job with the protest and ended up endangering two riders as well as themselves. But that's less a question of "method" of protest than simply just poor planning and excecution.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

For the life of me i can not understand why the policy on this board is to be as dense as humanly possible, and i mean that first and foremost as the opposite of transparent. Who does Future Publishing Ltd think is benefitting from this? This is a public forum, legally they are well able to distance themselves from whatever users are splurting out. So why all the secrecy, why being obtuse, why not simply being transparent when it comes to user management?

If a poster is posting racial slurs, or making threats (not threads), or anything that is really crossing the line, why shouldn't the other users on this forum be allowed to know about it? Usually forums are also referred to as an online community. I wonder whether the people in charge know the meaning of the word community. Because they would know that things like that affect it. I've been banned a dozen of times, i think people would like and deserve to know in case that was because i'm a xenophobe fascist (i'm not, but I COULD BE!) or because of something far more trivial. But nobody knows and nobody tells.

Simply move the offensive (per forum rules) post to a locked topic in this subforum. That way everybody can see why a certain user was banned, but they can no longer reply to it. But at least then everybody then can make up their own mind and there would be far less discussion. Even the offender himself could log out and check the post he was banned for. Because i wonder whether admins/mods know this, but when you get banned, you can not check your messages, and even if the mod sent you a message or notification why you got banned, you can not access it. When you get banned for something trivial, it never registered as being at odds with the forum rules and especially in case you have been prolific with your posts, it happens you get banned and you have no clue why you have been banned. It would also reduce the discussion about how long a person gets banned and everybody can assume a ban for posting fascist propaganda warrants a different ban (length) than posting somebody is being childish for instance.

I see the new guy Cycling111 or something got banned as well. I can only wonder whether he's been posting sexist misogynist bigotry or made a harmless joke that was misinterpreted. But who knows, right.

Edited the post for it not to be deleted.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

As I had already told you: you need to make your proposal to Future, not to this board.

In most cases, bans are incurred by accumulation of warnings: the concept of "the post he was banned for" is not normally applicable.

If something is not meant to be on the forum, it seems unreasonable for the forum to have an area to display what is not meant to be seen.

"you get banned and you have no clue why you have been banned": I would challenge that this happens. Formal warnings automatically cite the post involved.

Gross xenophobic fascism would result in a permaban.

Of course you can wonder why someone was banned, but people need to be aware that asking that here is only inviting others to get in trouble for breaking the rules, if they happened to see a later deleted post.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

As I had already told you: you need to make your proposal to Future, not to this board.

In most cases, bans are incurred by accumulation of warnings: the concept of "the post he was banned for" is not normally applicable.

If something is not meant to be on the forum, it seems unreasonable for the forum to have an area to display what is not meant to be seen.

Gross xenophobic fascism would result in a permaban.

Of course you can wonder why someone was banned, but people need to be aware that asking that here is only inviting others to get in trouble for breaking the rules, if they happened to see a later deleted post.

I think it would make more sense for forum mods and admins to apply common sense, experience that how the system works now, doesn't cut it, read feedback from the community, and propose that to Future, instead of expecting every user to individually contact Future, knowing full well the mail would get filed if not ignored.

The entire system with accumulating points makes it extra vague and the opposite of transparent. People getting in trouble for stating why a member of the *community* got banned is exactly what is wrong to begin with. The admin/moderating system is in need of accountability, because now there is none. Anything goes, even when a mod is completely in the wrong, there is no reason to overturn a decision, because why would he. Can't talk about it and nobody knows what happened.

You argue that when something is not meant to be on the forum, it is unreasonable to have it seen. If you find that unreasonable, then it is not unreasonable to inform people of the same community in different ways, of what happened to fellow community members they have known for years and might have daily discussions with. Can't have it both ways.

 

[hayneplane]

When banned you should still be able to access your DM conversations to see why you have banned even if you are currently not allowed to post on the forum.

If you can’t see the reason until your ban has expired then you have no reasonable method of appealing the ban.

 

[Netserk]

When banned you should still be able to access your DM conversations to see why you have banned even if you are currently not allowed to post on the forum.

If you can’t see the reason until your ban has expired then you have no reasonable method of appealing the ban.

Another option is that you receive an e-mail with the message when you get banned.

 

[hayneplane]

Another option is that you receive an e-mail with the message when you get banned.

That would be ok as well

 

[Berniece]

As I had already told you: you need to make your proposal to Future, not to this board.

Does Future have multiple websites, and forums? Do they have these rules everywhere? I find it really odd, and doesn’t make sense to me. I also don’t understand the reasoning behind it.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Does Future have multiple websites, and forums?

Dozens of them

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