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[pedaling squares]

I have always thought that the privacy was for the recipient's benefit and, like everything else on the net, once it is sent downstream the message can be displayed however the recipient chooses. Nobody sends anything on the net that they wouldn't expect to see made public.

 

[Cal_Joe]

A request for The Clinic:

Can we please restrict "The Evidence" thread for posts containing "actual evidence" and the sources of it? No discussion, just a convenient evidence locker. Please move all other discussion and arguments to the Phase II thread.

A lot of evidence is about to hit the street. Let's make it easy to access and we can discuss it in other threads.

Thanks,

Bb

It might be a good idea to start a "LA-USADA Evidence Document Links" thread where links to actual documents (as they appear) could be posted, and explain that the thread is for links only, not discussion.

This has worked for other threads in The Clinic, particularly when a Mod posts early in the thread that discussion should be taken to other existing threads.

As an aside, based on the first post in that thread, what did you expect? The linked article in that post has no where/when/by whom information, and includes quotes such as

There were rumours...

Posting links (such as the one in the first post) is typical for a Clinic thread and actually invites the typical Clinic discussion.

I do not think the post/link has anything to do with the hard facts many Clinicians are interested in.

Good luck with your future endeavors in taming The Clinic,

CJ

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well that didn't answer any of my questions but thanks for replying anyway. I'll be watching my words very carefully knowing that you'll be ready to pounce whenever I post one dubious word. Moderators are supposed to judge matters neutrally Susan. If you can't do that then you're not supposed to be a moderator.

Moderators are supposed to be moderators - they should not have to be your Mum and put you in your place when you have an emotional outburst.

"Flak" - yip, you will get it. There is nothing, nor should there be anything insulting in that, but not everyone agrees that Contador should be put on a pedestal.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Moderators are supposed to be moderators - they should not have to be your Mum and put you in your place when you have an emotional outburst.

But they should not be biased which Susan is, like ElChingon also noted.

"Flak" - yip, you will get it. There is nothing, nor should there be anything insulting in that, but not everyone agrees that Contador should be put on a pedestal.

My point is that Susan says that I either have to take the flak or change my view/behaviour/attitude. I do not agree. Everyone should be able to behave as they want as long as it's not against the forum rules. And yes it ****es me off that Susan apparently thinks I deserve all the heat I get just because I love Alberto.

Let me quote EC:

This is a typical case of a mod having it out for a certain forum member, it is plainly obvious based on previous posts and removed posts that said mod is singling out a specific forum member. The hypocrisy is also extremely evident when a mod posts an offensive post against said forum member and is removed by another because it is offensive.

For said mod to then ban the forum member for being a super fan (what this forum is ALL about) and replying within the bounds of the forum rules, never going over and especially not going over the bounds any of said mod's pet forum members get away with in any other thread. Is hypocritical.

The "flak" is not just flak, it is offensive and well justifies a strong reply, if a mod can identify this and just let it go is also hypocritical and the grounds for said mod to just step aside as this task as mod is obviously gotten to them.

Can I assume you completely missed this post? Because this answers your post.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

But they should not be biased which Susan is, like ElChingon also noted.

Can you show any example of this 'bias' and what the actual bias is?
Biased against you? Mr Contador? Who?

My point is that Susan says that I either have to take the flak or change my view/behaviour/attitude. I do not agree. Everyone should be able to behave as they want as long as it's not against the forum rules. And yes it ****es me off that Susan apparently thinks I deserve all the heat I get just because I love Alberto.

Let me quote EC:


Can I assume you completely missed this post? Because this answers your post.

You weren't banned for being a "superfan" - you were banned for insulting someone else. Because you cannot control your emotions.
That is no-one else fault bout your own.

As for what ElChingon says - they appear to have an ulterior motive that frankly makes little sense.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

I never said you should change your views.

I am not biased against you, or for or against anyone on this forum. If anything, you have gotten off lighter than many others.

You do not receive flak because you love Alberto. You receive flak because of the way you express those sentiments.

I have constantly said, I do not care what the users' opinions are. I only care how those opinions are represented.

If you have problems with me, please feel free to take it up with CN management.

Susan

 

[LaFlorecita]

Can you show any example of this 'bias' and what the actual bias is?
Biased against you? Mr Contador? Who?

You weren't banned for being a "superfan" - you were banned for insulting someone else. Because you cannot control your emotions.
That is no-one else fault bout your own.

As for what ElChingon says - they appear to have an ulterior motive that frankly makes little sense.

Once again, my problem isn't for what I was banned.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I never said you should change your views.

I am not biased against you, or for or against anyone on this forum. If anything, you have gotten off lighter than many others.

You do not receive flak because you love Alberto. You receive flak because of the way you express those sentiments.

I have constantly said, I do not care what the users' opinions are. I only care how those opinions are represented.

If you have problems with me, please feel free to take it up with CN management.

Susan

I'm not going to discuss this any further as it's clear we will never agree.

And no I will not take it up with the management because that's all just a waste of time, anonymous poster vs Susan Westemeyer yeah that's gonna end up well lol.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Once again, my problem isn't for what I was banned.

Well, what is your problem?
You mentioned "bias" - I assume that is what you believe is the problem.
If it is, then I will ask again - who is the bias against (ie you, Contador) and what is that bias?

 

[Race Radio]

It might be a good idea to start a "LA-USADA Evidence Document Links" thread where links to actual documents (as they appear) could be posted, and explain that the thread is for links only, not discussion.

CJ

No need. You can read them all here on my Scribd account

http://www.scribd.com/RaceRadio

 

[Cal_Joe]

No need. You can read them all here on my Scribd account

http://www.scribd.com/RaceRadio

Sorry, it appears that you completely missed the point of Botany Bay's post, and my response.

While many forum members appreciate the effort you have taken to post documents that can be ascribed to official sources, the thread Botany Bay posted about (and had a beef with) has very, very few links to similar sources.

I think that, as material is released, it would be beneficial to many forum members to be able to see links to documents from official agencies/courts/governing bodies. Perhaps you would like to start a thread that is links only, with no discussion.

As an aside (damn, I always have one), the thread you started concerning "evidence" has turned into a rehash of things that have been discussed in The Clinic for years. Discussed many, many times, but unfortunately, most of that "evidence" can be interpreted, by some, as rumors, Clinic Myths, etc. It would help clear things up a bit if folks could read a thread that has actual info without all The Clinic argy bargy - if some forum members would rather enjoy and discuss rumours, then the current threads should keep them satisfied.

 

[Race Radio]

Sorry, it appears that you completely missed the point of Botany Bay's post, and my response.

While many forum members appreciate the effort you have taken to post documents that can be ascribed to official sources, the thread Botany Bay posted about (and had a beef with) has very, very few links to similar sources.

I think that, as material is released, it would be beneficial to many forum members to be able to see links to documents from official agencies/courts/governing bodies. Perhaps you would like to start a thread that is links only, with no discussion.

As an aside (damn, I always have one), the thread you started concerning "evidence" has turned into a rehash of things that have been discussed in The Clinic for years. Discussed many, many times, but unfortunately, most of that "evidence" can be interpreted, by some, as rumors, Clinic Myths, etc. It would help clear things up a bit if folks could read a thread that has actual info without all The Clinic argy bargy - if some forum members would rather enjoy and discuss rumours, then the current threads should keep them satisfied.

There is actually a lot of new info in there along with a nice summery.

Don't worry. I will be posting of lot of new stuff in there shortly

 

[thirteen]

No need. You can read them all here on my Scribd account

http://www.scribd.com/RaceRadio

ta for that! just wish you didn't need to be on facebook too follow

 

[thirteen]

and, back on the topic of mods...

LaFlorecita, i like you. i like AC. but i also happen to like Susan, too, and i think you are being unfair in accusing her of bias against you (and/or Alberto).

i enjoy your passionate fandom, but i understand where she's coming from. i really think Susan's trying to be fair (hers job is nigh impossible with all the differing viewpoints and personalities on this site). you may not get it now but, if you take a step back, you might.

Susan's one of the good guys.

 

[LaFlorecita]

and, back on the topic of mods...

LaFlorecita, i like you. i like AC. but i also happen to like Susan, too, and i think you are being unfair in accusing her of bias against you (and/or Alberto).

i enjoy your passionate fandom, but i understand where she's coming from. i really think Susan's trying to be fair (hers job is nigh impossible with all the differing viewpoints and personalities on this site). you may not get it now but, if you take a step back, you might.

Susan's one of the good guys.

Fine that's your opinion and I do not agree.

 

[LaFlorecita]

At least there's someone who understands me, thank you EC

 

[LaFlorecita]

Where did the Lance vs Alberto thread go?

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Where did the Lance vs Alberto thread go?

The Evil Moderators made it vanish out of the pure wickedness in their hearts.

Or it has dropped to the second page of the Clinic listings.

Take your pick.

Susan

 

[LaFlorecita]

The Evil Moderators made it vanish out of the pure wickedness in their hearts.

Or it has dropped to the second page of the Clinic listings.

Take your pick.

Susan

The first obviously.

 

[The Hitch]

The Evil Moderators made it vanish out of the pure wickedness in their hearts.

Or it has dropped to the second page of the Clinic listings.

Take your pick.

Susan

So that's what happened to the transfers thread last year.

 

[Elagabalus]

Where did the Lance vs Alberto thread go?

Whilst on the second page be sure and check out my hilarious Leaked USADA Video!!! thread before it drops to the 3rd page because some mod unceremoniously locked the thread. Mods, how can a completely inappropriate Neil Armstrong comedy thread remain open whilst my subtle attempt at clinic humour must now languish in the back pages? Sheesh ...

 

[The Hitch]

The Evil Moderators made it vanish out of the pure wickedness in their hearts.

Or it has dropped to the second page of the Clinic listings.

Take your pick.

Susan

So that's what happened to the transfers thread last year.

 

[pedaling squares]

Whilst on the second page be sure and check out my hilarious Leaked USADA Video!!! thread before it drops to the 3rd page because some mod unceremoniously locked the thread. Mods, how can a completely inappropriate Neil Armstrong comedy thread remain open whilst my subtle attempt at clinic humour must now languish in the back pages? Sheesh ...

Probably because it wasn't related to cycling and it was in a cycling section of the forum. Removing fly larvae from an arm and comparing it to removing LA/HV/PM... ok, I get it. I think.

Humour is an individual thing, of course. To me, this is funny:

The Evil Moderators made it vanish out of the pure wickedness in their hearts.

Or it has dropped to the second page of the Clinic listings.

Take your pick.

Susan

Susan won't let herself call anyone a dumbas$, so this is how she calls LaFlo a dumbas$. Now that's pretty darn funny for someone who has spent so much time in Germany.

 

[Elagabalus]

Probably because it wasn't related to cycling and it was in a cycling section of the forum. Removing fly larvae from an arm and comparing it to removing LA/HV/PM... ok, I get it. I think.

Humour is an individual thing, of course. To me, this is funny:



Susan won't let herself call anyone a dumbas$, so this is how she calls LaFlo a dumbas$. Now that's pretty darn funny for someone who has spent so much time in Germany.

Settle down, Francis. I added the "sheesh" so no one would think I was serious. Oh ... and ... Neil Armstrong is related to cycling ... how?

 

[ebandit]

forum

it's only a forum

here today.............gone tomorrow!

the other armstrong thread will be gone soon enough