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[Race Radio]

Trolls run free distorting and lying, continue as normal. Someone actually calls out their BS, take a nice break.

.....Bingo

We see the same bogus claims over and over. Invented claims of TUE's, Payoffs, etc are ignored. If you question a claim the response is "Vortex!" "Liar" or some deflection that you must be protecting Froome.

 

[darwin553]

No, the bit you quoted from pmcg76 was spot on....even if you were being a smart ar$e However as I pointed out that is not the issue in this particular case.

In general though, yes pmcg76 is correct.

Well then I don't take back what I said

 

[pmcg76]

was the certain poster lying or distorting things as usual? Is that even the issue?

The poster said he didn't have time for a link (might or might not be a lie). DrMas said he found the link in less than two minutes (but didn't post it) and rhetorically challenged the certain poster. Is that baiting? Entrapment? Derailing?

All DrMas had to do was post his link (seeing as he already had it), and prove his point the certain poster was lying or distorting without resorting to a rhetorical challenge. The certain poster could have come back with his version if there was one. Or not, and look like a lying distorter.

All of this after I had clearly warned everyone on that thread to desist:


which DrMas clearly read and understood as we started to have a discussion about it, even if he didn't agree to it.

DrMas did point out that he wanted to give the certain poster an opportunity to post his own quote, however that is not really commensurate with the nature of his rhetorical challenge and certainly not in the spirit of my general warning.

No, this is simple. That poster has a very clear record of trolling/distortion and lying and has been perma-banned as a result. Once again they made a claim that was not correct and when challenged on it claimed they couldn't find it which of course was BS.

Dr.Mas clearly knew they were lying but provided them with the opportunity to provide a link in case it was different(It happens sometimes). If the mods knew that no such evidence existed, then they should have been coming down on the poster who was making the bogus claims, not the person who was showing them to be bogus. I have seen Dr.Mas ask people for links like this several times to back up claims and have never seen him banned for it previously.

The message is clear, don't show up people who are trolling or lying. It only makes a mess of threads. Troll away.

 

[Netserk]

No, this is simple. That poster has a very clear record of trolling/distortion and lying and has been perma-banned as a result.

He was perma-banned because he created another account while banned.

I have seen Dr.Mas ask people for links like this several times to back up claims and have never seen him banned for it previously.

...And he wasn't banned for it this time either.

 

[pmcg76]

He was perma-banned because he created another account while banned.



...And he wasn't banned for it this time either.

No but that was what he was warned for which is freaking ridiculous. I cannot for one second blame him for ignoring such a warning. Why can't mods admit when they get it wrong.

 

[Netserk]

No but that was what he was warned for which is freaking ridiculous. I cannot for one second blame him for ignoring such a warning. Why can't mods admit when they get it wrong.

That wasn't what he was warned for either.

 

[pmcg76]

That wasn't what he was warned for either.

Well reading what another mod posted, that is exactly what he was warned for.
The other mod called it baiting but in no shape or form is asking someone to back up a claim baiting.

 

[Netserk]

Well reading what another mod posted, that is exactly what he was warned for.

No.

I warned him and I banned him, and I know exactly what he was warned for and why he was banned. So does he.

I think you might want to re-read a couple of posts.

 

[The Hitch]

If you question a claim the response is "Vortex!" "Liar" or some deflection that you must be protecting Froome.

Hang on, thats exactly what you were doing to me yesterday.

I in a totally neutral manner, raised counterobservations to some of the claims you made, with no malice, and yet you dismissed them with the reasoning that I am allegedly biased so don't deserve a response, and that my arguments "make no sense"(without explaining why that is) as well as variety of insults and unpleasant sarcastic snipes.

As I continued to reply without resorting to insults and jabs, you continued to fire them away.

Other posters raised the same points I made, yet you still refuse to explain why you dismissed them as making no sense.

I am shocked to see on this thread you complain about such behaviour when you had no problem treating me that way post after post after post.

 

[pmcg76]

No.

I warned him and I banned him, and I know exactly what he was warned for and why he was banned. So does he.

I think you might want to re-read a couple of posts.

I don't see anything that will change my mind.

Look if you guys don't want threads clogged up with back and forth's, then ban the people who blatantly troll, lie and distort. It is very obvious who they are but you guys seem to be unable to identify them even though everyone else in the forum can see it clearly.

You can talk about ignoring mod warnings blah, blah, blah. Fact is the hammer fell on Dr.Mas after he dared to challenge a troll. I don't care if this was not why he was banned, you guys clearly escalated the situation behind the scenes so I can imagine why Dr.Mas might not have been happy. Banning one of the few balanced poster's on here because of mod power trips is BS.

Do not dare challenge us because we can ban you and then say whatever we want.

 

[ElChingon]

Hang on, thats exactly what you were doing to me yesterday.

I in a totally neutral manner, raised counterobservations to some of the claims you made, with no malice, and yet you dismissed them with the reasoning that I am allegedly biased so don't deserve a response, and that my arguments "make no sense"(without explaining why that is) as well as variety of insults and unpleasant sarcastic snipes.

As I continued to reply without resorting to insults and jabs, you continued to fire them away.

Other posters raised the same points I made, yet you still refuse to explain why you dismissed them as making no sense.

I am shocked to see on this thread you complain about such behaviour when you had no problem treating me that way post after post after post.

Thing about radios is they only have speakers and no mic for the other user. Time to change the channel.

 

[Netserk]

You can talk about ignoring mod warnings blah, blah, blah. Fact is the hammer fell on Dr.Mas after he dared to challenge a troll. I don't care...

...About the truth?

You do seem quick to pass judgement without knowing what happened.

 

[pmcg76]

...About the truth?

You do seem quick to pass judgement without knowing what happened.

Because it is pretty obvious what happened. Within 5 minutes of you telling Dr.Mas to post the link, he gave a perfectly valid explanation of why he asked the other poster to provide the link. That post was in the JV thread at one point but now is in this Moderator thread.

Clearly it went to PM after that but I can imagine Dr.Mas was not pleased and I cannot blame him. Obviously the reason you banned him then happened but as I said before, it was a mod who escalated the situation by unjustly demanding Dr.Mas post his link when all he was doing was asking the other poster to provide a link for their claims.

Instead of asking the poster who made the claim to back it up, you put the onus on the poster questioning the integrity of the claim to do so. How did you know that both posters were referring to the same interview?

Oh yeah the poster who claimed they didn't have the time to find the link was back a few hours later, repeated the same claim again without backing it up, again. Clearly had time to post but not find the link. No charge, troll away.

Also JV1973 is a registered forum user here just like myself or anyone else here but he is frequently called a liar, FOS etc, etc without censure. If this sort of personal attack was aimed at any other poster, long bans would be handed out without haste so why the double standards??, especially when you have posters mocking him for not posting here any longer.

When Joe Papp was here, people were censured for being abusive towards him so why does the same not apply for JV abusers.

 

[Netserk]

Clearly it went to PM after that but I can imagine Dr.Mas was not pleased and I cannot blame him. Obviously the reason you banned him then happened but as I said before, it was a mod who escalated the situation by unjustly demanding Dr.Mas post his link when all he was doing was asking the other poster to provide a link for their claims.

Absolutely not.

 

[Netserk]

Also JV1973 is a registered forum user here just like myself or anyone else here but he is frequently called a liar, FOS etc, etc without censure. If this sort of personal attack was aimed at any other poster, long bans would be handed out without haste so why the double standards??, especially when you have posters mocking him for not posting here any longer.

Would the same apply if McQuaid registered here?

 

[pmcg76]

Would the same apply if McQuaid registered here?

A strawman!!! I am starting to get it now. We have a mod saying it's ok to be abusive toward certain people on here. Now I have a better understanding of why certain people are allowed free reign in here.

I would expect McQuaid to be treated as anyone else. Like JV, ask all the tough questions and disagree, say Pat I don't believe you but be respectful. Don't start every post with McQuaid is a lying piece of crap, fat, drunk etc, etc. I have pretty much the same opinion on McQuaid as the majority of posters here but go and see if I have ever been derogatory toward him. Same would apply to Armstrong if he came on here who I despise most of all.

There are plenty of people who don't believe in JV but treat him with respect

 

[Netserk]

For me it's quite simple. Jv is both a user and a public figure.

When discussing with the user JV1973 the same rules applies as with any other user.

When discussing with others about the public figure that is Jonathan Vaughters, it no longer matters that he is a registered user or not. The same things are allowed here, as there are with Armstrong, McQuaid etc.

However sometimes those two situations overlap, and then it's a judgement call from the mods.

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And hypothetically McQuiad could already be registered here without having posted a single post. Or could register in the future without ever posting.

I'd still say that in that situation the same things would be allowed as if he wasn't a poster here.

 

[pmcg76]

Absolutely not.

Really. Dr.Mas said he had a link to a Walsh/JV interview and asked the poster to provide a link to his source.

You then stepped in with a warning to Dr.Mas!!! yes a personal warning(which I thought was done by PM) in the middle of a thread in which multiple people were trolling.

"If you have/know the proper quote, then link/quote it and leave things at that. No need asking for a response and eventually clog up the thread.

EDIT: Meta posts will either be deleted or moved."

Note, no public warning to poster who made the claim without any back-up evidence or was saying JV was a liar, fos.

How did you know the interview Dr.Mas had was the same interview that the other poster was referring to? You didn't but assumed you did. Dr. Mas then explained that clearly.

"I have "A" quote/link.

I am allowing the poster to post their link, in case it is different and shows their point or the opportunity to clarify/amend their remarks.

No need to respond to this post and clog up the thread."



Then you went to PM but clearly handing out an ill-thought out personal warning in the middle of a thread clearly irked Dr.Mas.

 

[Netserk]

You then stepped in with a warning to Dr.Mas!!! yes a personal warning(which I thought was done by PM) in the middle of a thread in which multiple people were trolling.

I only gave one warning to Dr. Mas, and that was over PM.

 

[pmcg76]

I only gave one warning to Dr. Mas, and that was over PM.

So what was that I just quoted, sure reads like you are telling him to stop clogging up the thread. Telling someone how to behave in a thread might not be an "official" warning but it is still a slap on the wrists, and it was well out of order as it was directed at one person who was doing nothing wrong.

If a poster comes on here saying "You know in the Kimmage/JV interview, JV says he saw Armstrong doping".

I would think to myself, I know that interview and I know that is not what was said. However I would still want clarification from the person making the statement as to the fact that we were talking about the same interview in case it were somehow different. Nowt wrong with that.

 

[Beech Mtn]

I'm not a mod, so I don't know what Mas was banned for. That said, I was following the JV thread, saw Netserk post a warning, saw Mas post something that was deleted, then saw Mas post again including a message at the bottom to stop deleting his posts. (And that second message was deleted too.)

I assumed that was why he was banned, since IIRC others were banned for similar re-postings in the past.

 

[sittingbison]

Well reading what another mod posted, that is exactly what he was warned for.
The other mod called it baiting but in no shape or form is asking someone to back up a claim baiting.

Hold it. I was replying to your notion about the nature of DrMas post viv a vis a certain other poster lying and distorting - I quoted your post. I was not addressing the ban placed on DrMas, which I was not involved with and do not know the exact circumstances.

To your other recent posts on the topic of DrMas interaction with sniper (lets call a spade a spade shall we):

...it was well out of order as it was directed at one person who was doing nothing wrong....

I politely disagree and reiterate DrMas had the option of a simple post including the relevant link and calling out sniper. He chose another route which was not simply asking sniper to back up his claim, it was baiting with rhetoric in that DrMas knew the answer but asked the question anyway. And it was directly contrary to my immediate prior warning to everyone participating on that thread (and I said it was not specifically directed at DrMas) which he had read and understood (although disagreed with).

That should not be conflated with whether or not sniper was actually lying or distorting. Or whether or not he and many other well known and prolific posters are trolls etc etc that is being mentioned. Or what DrMas was actually finally banned for.

 

[Scott SoCal]

I only gave one warning to Dr. Mas, and that was over PM.

With any luck Dr Mas will stick to twitter and other forums where a balanced, insightful, knowledgeable and reasonable posting style would be welcomed.

You guys are screwing the pooch. Don't know why you don't see it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Well, warnings from you clowns...yeah! Worst mods ever. I feel proud to be a part of this record interweb performance. (Smilie means I am just kidding, right?)
But seriously you guys sukk. Can I say that?

Bump. Never more apropos.
Come on you guys just quit it.

 

[Race Radio]

Hang on, thats exactly what you were doing to me yesterday.

I in a totally neutral manner, raised counterobservations to some of the claims you made, with no malice, and yet you dismissed them with the reasoning that I am allegedly biased so don't deserve a response, and that my arguments "make no sense"(without explaining why that is) as well as variety of insults and unpleasant sarcastic snipes.

As I continued to reply without resorting to insults and jabs, you continued to fire them away.

Other posters raised the same points I made, yet you still refuse to explain why you dismissed them as making no sense.

I am shocked to see on this thread you complain about such behaviour when you had no problem treating me that way post after post after post.

Waaa. Do not be surprised that if when you bait, insult, and twist what others write that they do not respond to with warm fuzzies.

When you actually add something to the discussion let me know and I will do my best to respond