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[Anonymous]

Are you saying we will NOT need the harsher rules during the other two Grand Tours?

Im suggesting that the casual fans who like to start thread making competitions, and enter arguments about rider x, y, or z never testing positive, etc tend to show more of an interest in the Tour de France and the Tour of California than they do any other races.

 

[hrotha]

It just occurred to me that going to the Clinic to say "who cares" and "let them ride" and "antidoping witch-hunt" and "WADA and UCI infidels" and "you're ruining cycling" is no better than going to Road Racing and pointing out in every race thread that everybody doing well must be doping.

 

[patricknd]

Moderating duties pertain to the brief given by the site owners. Which includes a request to step in when the totally of people's actions are starting to dilute the purpose of the forum. Or merge threads, or stop threads that are covered at nauseum and thus shouldn't have been a new thread for starters.

We are not in the habit of closing threads. A handful were closed at a time when too many people started to create frivolous threads or saying the same thing again. And again.

Yes, we do decide what is "too frivolous" or "the same".

Can I ask if your objection is "theory and principle", or if you have witnessed a series of quality threads that were closed down here?

theory and principle are kind of important. intentional or not, over moderation amounts to censorship of ideas that you deem not up to your standards of "quality", and destroys the natural flow of conversation that leads upon occasion to an original idea or fresh look at the same tired subjects.

Exactly. Posts which are not "quality" ones will just rapidly drop out of sight. I thought that was how forums work. If they stay on page one then obviously more than one person has found them interesting.
We aren't solving the world's problems here we are talking about a sport. In the particular section where all the trouble is we are talking about doping in a sport. We are not gonna find World Peace no matter how tightly the place is moderated.
There are probably as many slightly different opinions about doping, how bad it is, who is doing it, and what to do about it, as there are forum members. It shouldn't be any person/group's job to decide who has the "quality" opinion. That should be left to public opinion and sometimes public opinion is ugly.

i agree. we're not splitting atoms, we're discussing sports, politics, etc. topics that aren't popular tend to sink out of sight like a turd getting flushed down the toilet, (folksy east texas banter) but unless it's completely inappropriate it should allowed to die a natural death. we the people are the forum, so let the people decide.

I'm sorry, but Sanitiser especially continued to post stupid inane threads about nothing, giving absolutely no information or anything in his opening posts. If some people do not put even the sligthest of effort in their opening post why even open a thread. I have in prior instances reacted in the same manner and did not receive any comments about this action at all. Only now, when it were a lot of threads in a short span of time (at a time when a lot of threads started) did you people notice. Also we created a thread for short blurbs of info, short links or the like for the most prudent of cases on here. We were getting quite a few annoyed complaints and annoyed statements by people who had enough of the inane threads. It has nothing to do with the validity of your argument or in many cases even with the quality of your argument but when you start threads with posts such as these:


And there are many more of these cases of other members as well. All frivolous and stupid. If you create a thread at least make some effort or include some new information

The problem here on this forum is also that most often these threads do not just fall down to another page but gets filled up with personal attacks

but again, the opinion of the few as to what constitutes quality. frivolous and stupid? my apologies for all of us that dont meet your lofty standards.
by the way, you may want to get that arm examined by a physician. i'm afraid you may have broken it while patting yourself on the back.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I agree with Barrus.

Python would be an excellent mod.

 

[Martin318is]

The anger comes from his previous version on this site.

Pyhton, you should apply as a new mod. I said so in the "new moderator" thread, but in their infinite wisdom, instead of simply locking the thread, the mods nuked it, making all the posts vanish as though they were never written, like an online version of 1984.

Yep I did exactly that. What's your point?


Asside from the suggestion about python, there was nothing of value in any of the thread and it only served to highlight that the topic should have been a locked announcement rather than a discussion thread. Leaving the posts up would merely serve as a prompt for others to create new threads to keep the gibberish going.

 

[BroDeal]

Yep I did exactly that. What's your point?

Asside from the suggestion about python, there was nothing of value in any of the thread and it only served to highlight that the topic should have been a locked announcement rather than a discussion thread. Leaving the posts up would merely serve as a prompt for others to create new threads to keep the gibberish going.

My point is that I am not too keen on entire threads vanishing like they never existed. I have seen this on other forums and it always leaves a bad impression. It often gets misused. I think a better solution is to lock the thread. Heck, create a "dustbin" forum where useless threads are moved to.

 

[Martin318is]

My point is that I am not too keen on entire threads vanishing like they never existed. I have seen this on other forums and it always leaves a bad impression. It often gets misused. I think a better solution is to lock the thread. Heck, create a "dustbin" forum where useless threads are moved to.

It wasn't deleted. The redundant, predominantly off topic posts were removed. The original post was left there. The original post didnt ask for people to nominate other members, it asked for volunteers to send a pm.

 

[Hugh Januss]

This forum is rapidly becoming The No Fun Zone


Edit: I'm sorry should this go here or in the This Forum Blows thread?

 

[180mmCrank]

Oh I don't know - maybe it depends on your definition of fun! It looks like people have been having a lot of fun today and largely at the expense of my fellow moderators but that's ok it seems to come with the job right now.

Onwards and upwards - let the night shift begin (or day shift if you are in Aus!)



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[BroDeal]

It wasn't deleted. The redundant, predominantly off topic posts were removed. The original post was left there. The original post didnt ask for people to nominate other members, it asked for volunteers to send a pm.

Yeah, p00f! A whole conversation disappears. The thread could have been appended to the end of the "moderators" thread.

 

[180mmCrank]

Yeah, p00f! A whole conversation disappears. The thread could have been appended to the end of the "moderators" thread.

Yes it could have but it wasn't. Not sure that this is quite at the level of 'who was on the grassy knoll' conspiracy - there has been a lot going on today and it wasn't really a priority another day we might have made the effort but not today.

T

 

[180mmCrank]

I think Martin and the other moderators do a good job in difficult circumstances. Yes forums are fun, but not if the fun is at the expense of another group of people within the forum. We can disagree about this or that post being deleted, but on the whole the mods are just trying to make the forum a reasonable experience for the majority.

I couldn't agree more I live in awe of their committment and I am continually amazed at the lack of appreciation (respect?) they get from some ofthe regular posters. It aint an easy job. I would be a great admin if I was half as good.

T

 

[Barrus]

My point is that I am not too keen on entire threads vanishing like they never existed. I have seen this on other forums and it always leaves a bad impression. It often gets misused. I think a better solution is to lock the thread. Heck, create a "dustbin" forum where useless threads are moved to.

I can really understand your position and most often we do not delete an entire thread. In a thread that is still open we delete the off-topic posts or we close the thread. This instance was a bit different. And please understand we took you idea serious and were in the process of discussing it. Normally the only threads we completely delete are the Spam threads, which thanks to Susan we don't have that much anymore

 

[Semper Fidelis]

i happened to agree with her and francois.

why shouldn't she express her opnion if you can ? why didn't you sent her a pm instead of critiquing a member ? in stead, the way you've done it is going to cause some amount of reply from me and some other members. I am a member of this forum too and i have an opinion.

I was critiquing no one. I was just adding an opinion. Thanks for your support. It is good to have someone else who happens to agree with me.

 

[flicker]

I like the pre-emptive strikes( bans)by the moderators! I wonder are they inside my head or inside my hard drive. signed the lanterne rouge Flicker.

 

[python]

I was critiquing no one. I was just adding an opinion. Thanks for your support. It is good to have someone else who happens to agree with me.

total bs. anyone can easily verify it.

out of nowhere, you were offering the forum member, mewmewmew13, who protested a sexist post by akbar , an unsolicited advice, you yourself refuse to follow when it's offered to you...

Did you really have to come in a give a critique of a member?

so i'm asking you, in perfect jest with your own post, did you have to come in and give a crititique of a member ? why did you not sent her a pm instead, if you're so concerned about critiquing a member ? or may be there are members you're a little more concerned ?

thanks for your support.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

total bs. anyone can eqasily verify it.

out of nowhere, you were offering the forum member, mewmewmew13, who protested a sexist post by akbar , an unsolicited advice, you yourself refuse to follow when it's offered to you...



so i'm asking you, in perfect jest with your own post, did you have to come in and give a crititique of a member ? why did you not sent her a pm instead, if you're so concerned about critiquing a member ? or may be there are members you're a little more concerned ?

thanks for your support.

Have fun. Thanks.

 

[python]

It is not personal. I only suggested another approach. I had no idea that mew13 was a woman. If that is the case then I can see her point.

What are you looking for? Your repeating the same post. Keep pushing it.

and i'm not personal either, and i did not suggest you knew or did not know the member's gender...all i suggested that you out of the blue suggested an approach you yourself refuse to follow - sent her a pm if you are so concerned about a principle. instead you publicly chided the forum member who expressed an opinion.

i suspect you had a very good idea who akbar is.

once again, follow your own advise, hypocrite !

 

[patricknd]

and i'm not personal either, and i did not suggest you knew or did not know the member's gender...all i suggested that you out of the blue suggested an approach you yourself refuse to follow - sent her a pm if you are so concerned about a principle. instead you publicly chided the forum member who expressed an opinion.

i suspect you had a very good idea who akbar is.

once again, follow your own advise, hypocrite !

it's send her a pm, not sent. sorry man, but it was driving me crazy.

and akbar is a gentleman from the eastern lands. i think we could all show some sensitivity to other cultures. thanks

 

[python]

and akbar is a gentleman from the eastern lands. i think we could all show some sensitivity to other cultures. thanks

thanks for showing up, me and some others expected you !
no one, including the mods, is fooled by where you, akbar and glen are from

i'm all for being sensitive to people from all lands, including texas.

 

[patricknd]

thanks for showing up, me and some others expected you !
no one, including the mods, is fooled by where you, akbar and glen are from

i'm all for being sensitive to people from all lands, including texas.

as you should be

 

[Skandar Akbar]

Can't we all just get along? This is way out of control and I hope we can all just calm down. Mods please show leniency. Hopefully these guys can eventually become productive members of the forum.

 

[python]

can we get back on topic about the mods...?

akbar places a sexist remark that gets a protest and gets removed. he comes here and whines.

...out of the blue some hypocritical suggestions are added to the topic and some members who would normally jump in to freE, try to derail the thread.

i hope the mods handle it properly.

 

[mewmewmew13]

the weather in houston today...51* ..a slight chill ---little windy

 

[Skandar Akbar]

Maybe because they know me they defend me. I got filled in today about this fixation you have on Glen and how you would be terrible as a mod in here. For your information I am not what you think and Barrus or any mod can contact me to discuss. You are stirring up a bunch of stuff that does not exist and I hope you can move on. Life is too short for this petty nonsense.

For your information the explanation for my deleted post was answered and I have nothing else to say on the subject. If you think heterosexual sex is offensive, which is what I was trying to say in a nice way, then that is your business.

Now a question for the moderators. This guy is accusing me of something with no proof, and on top of that he is wrong. This thread is recently about banning people with no proof. I suggest you put this python person on ban or suspension until he calms down to prove there is even use of the rules like is claimed. I think it is amazing this guy is being considered to be along side Barrus because he does not seem worthy from what i have heard and read in this thread. I think I have made strives to fit in here but this whole issue is very weird.