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[GJB123]

Re: Re:

How is pointing out someone's inconsistencies using his own words worth a board warning? How come that is deemed to be poster not post. Personally I find the modding in the LeMond-related threads atrociously inconsistent. But then again I am probably just a butthurt LeMond-fanboy.

Because It's a simple rule, attack the post, not the poster.

You were not warned over being a Lemond fan, save the hyperbole.

How is pointing out inconsistencies by a poster using his exact own words tantamount to attacking the poster?

What post were you pointing out? All of them? Or, any specific post?

The fact that you just went after him without arguing any of his posts is by definition "attacking the poster, not the post", which is an infraction in this forum and has been for a very long time.

I actually am arguing his post but somehow you managed to miss that. Not into sarcasm then, I guess.

 

[Irondan]

Re: Re:

How is pointing out someone's inconsistencies using his own words worth a board warning? How come that is deemed to be poster not post. Personally I find the modding in the LeMond-related threads atrociously inconsistent. But then again I am probably just a butthurt LeMond-fanboy.

Because It's a simple rule, attack the post, not the poster.

You were not warned over being a Lemond fan, save the hyperbole.

How is pointing out inconsistencies by a poster using his exact own words tantamount to attacking the poster?

What post were you pointing out? All of them? Or, any specific post?

The fact that you just went after him without arguing any of his posts is by definition "attacking the poster, not the post", which is an infraction in this forum and has been for a very long time.

I actually am arguing his post but somehow you managed to miss that. Not into sarcasm then, I guess.

Which post? Send me a link to it in a PM.

No, not really into sarcasm that much...

 

[red_flanders]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

Maybe it was just a perception made by thehog and others? I know there was some talk about it among some others. That is how conspiracy's get started though.

 

[aphronesis]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

What we do know is the truth was revealed by a communal Twitter account that was set up to look like Race Radio's account. When fake RR sent a tweet Benson saying he had a list of trolls that needed to be banned, Benson (before realizing it was a fake account) responded that he would look over the list, confirming what observers already knew or suspected: That RR was using back channels to get rid of people.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

Yes I agree with you. I remember some PM exchanges with a few members that truly believed "There was a time, any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban"

Seems we might be heading in that lobbying direction again. No worry for you aphronesis you always keep it cool.

 

[Irondan]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

Yes I agree with you. I remember some PM exchanges with a few members that truly believed "There was a time, any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban"

Seems we might be heading in that lobbying direction again. No worry for you aphronesis you always keep it cool.

Yes but who are they lobbying to, me? I don't react to lobbying efforts, nor will I support the lobbying efforts directed towards the new mods.

What I do support is healthy debate (arguing) within the same (forum) rules that everyone's subjected to.

Is that different to the way the forum was run in the past, perhaps but I don't really know for sure.

Cheers

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

Yes I agree with you. I remember some PM exchanges with a few members that truly believed "There was a time, any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban"

Seems we might be heading in that lobbying direction again. No worry for you aphronesis you always keep it cool.

Yes but who are they lobbying to, me? I don't react to lobbying efforts, nor will I support the lobbying efforts directed towards the new mods.

What I do support is healthy debate (arguing) within the same (forum) rules that everyone's subjected to.

Is that different to the way the forum was run in the past, perhaps but I don't really know for sure.

Cheers

No idea to your first question.
I never go the idea you were the type to mix words or to listen to someone "lobbying" you to ban someone. Just my opinion of you is to be a straight shooter when it comes to the message board and the rules.

Not sure about the past either. I was only relaying what was discussed among us members via PM in respect to the perceived issues on the LeMond thread.

 

[Irondan]

No idea to your first question.
I never go the idea you were the type to mix words or to listen to someone "lobbying" you to ban someone. Just my opinion of you is to be a straight shooter when it comes to the message board and the rules.

Not sure about the past either. I was only relaying what was discussed among us members via PM in respect to the perceived issues on the LeMond thread.

That's my intention, to be perceived as a straight shooter. I live my life that way, for good and for bad.

But as far as the forum's concerned I want members to know that I don't support one side or the other in any issue, I just hope they post by the rules.

If that feeling is permeated throughout the forum maybe some of the members that stopped posting for one reason or other feel like it's okay to post comments again because everyone's being painted with the same brush.

 

[Scott SoCal]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

What we do know is the truth was revealed by a communal Twitter account that was set up to look like Race Radio's account. When fake RR sent a tweet Benson saying he had a list of trolls that needed to be banned, Benson (before realizing it was a fake account) responded that he would look over the list, confirming what observers already knew or suspected: That RR was using back channels to get rid of people.

Oh my Bro, prolly time to let the RR thing go. He doesn't hang out here anymore but you can still antagonize him on the Twitter I think.

 

[sniper]

@Red,
I'll be eating some humble pie over that Steve-Alexi-Eddie issue, I stand corrected and will acknowledge it in the Lemond thread once it gets reopened.

 

[blutto]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

What we do know is the truth was revealed by a communal Twitter account that was set up to look like Race Radio's account. When fake RR sent a tweet Benson saying he had a list of trolls that needed to be banned, Benson (before realizing it was a fake account) responded that he would look over the list, confirming what observers already knew or suspected: That RR was using back channels to get rid of people.

Cheers

 

[Maxiton]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

Yes I agree with you. I remember some PM exchanges with a few members that truly believed "There was a time, any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban"

Seems we might be heading in that lobbying direction again. No worry for you aphronesis you always keep it cool.

Yes but who are they lobbying to, me? I don't react to lobbying efforts, nor will I support the lobbying efforts directed towards the new mods.

What I do support is healthy debate (arguing) within the same (forum) rules that everyone's subjected to.

Is that different to the way the forum was run in the past, perhaps but I don't really know for sure.

Cheers

I was here and it definitely is different from the way things were done in the past, but that might be down to more determination on our part, as well as being decidedly unimpressed with Race Radio (speaking for myself, anyway), rather than a conspiracy that was supposedly once operative no longer being in play.

In any event I fully agree with Irondan, which is why I agreed to become a moderator in the first place.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Why on earth is a mod giving their personal opinion about another poster in this thread?

 

[red_flanders]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

What we do know is the truth was revealed by a communal Twitter account that was set up to look like Race Radio's account. When fake RR sent a tweet Benson saying he had a list of trolls that needed to be banned, Benson (before realizing it was a fake account) responded that he would look over the list, confirming what observers already knew or suspected: That RR was using back channels to get rid of people.

I was a moderator here off and on for years. In all that time, I never heard a whisper, a hint, or the slightest word about moderation from Dan Benson. Never. There was never anything remotely like this in all the records in the moderation thread. As far as I could see there was never the slightest hint of intervention, and on the topic of Race Radio vs. the hog, I would have known. It was a daily problem.

What is certainly true is that Race Radio (and many other posters) have suggested, implied, lobbied for or flat out asked or even demanded other posters be banned. That some tweet to Dan Benson is trotted out as smoking gun of some kind of conspiracy is understandable, but the conclusions drawn from that tweet have no bearing on the truth and are absolutely off-base. You don't need the tweet to know Race Radio lobbied for the hog to be banned. I will tell you it went on constantly and I found it rather irritating and it put RR in a dim view for me. I can also tell you that he had every reason to be asking for moderation help because the hog was trolling him mercilessly, and the only thing that would stop it was RR leaving or a permaban for the hog. Full stop.

What needs to be heard loud and clear is that NONE of this had ANYTHING to do with Lemond. It was never, ever associated with a particular discussion, it was always about certain posters hounding other posters in thread after thread, all over the board. The post quoted above is nothing more than a direct hangover from those clashes. It has absolutely nothing to do with Lemond. I repeat, and adamantly stand by my statement, that what the hog says above is patently, unequivocally false.

I was there. I know what I'm talking about. For anyone, anyone at all who was not privvy to the conversation in the moderation forum to suggest otherwise is completely mis-informed and flat out wrong.

 

[ebandit]

wtf! ...why? are members being discussed.......

Mark L

 

[blutto]

Re:

@Red,
I'll be eating some humble pie over that Steve-Alexi-Eddie issue, I stand corrected and will acknowledge it in the Lemond thread once it gets reopened.

...take it from me, humble pie is best served drowned in an ocean of ketchup, and French's of course....

Cheers

 

[aphronesis]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

What we do know is the truth was revealed by a communal Twitter account that was set up to look like Race Radio's account. When fake RR sent a tweet Benson saying he had a list of trolls that needed to be banned, Benson (before realizing it was a fake account) responded that he would look over the list, confirming what observers already knew or suspected: That RR was using back channels to get rid of people.

I was a moderator here off and on for years. In all that time, I never heard a whisper, a hint, or the slightest word about moderation from Dan Benson. Never. There was never anything remotely like this in all the records in the moderation thread. As far as I could see there was never the slightest hint of intervention, and on the topic of Race Radio vs. the hog, I would have known. It was a daily problem.

What is certainly true is that Race Radio (and many other posters) have suggested, implied, lobbied for or flat out asked or even demanded other posters be banned. That some tweet to Dan Benson is trotted out as smoking gun of some kind of conspiracy is understandable, but the conclusions drawn from that tweet have no bearing on the truth and are absolutely off-base. You don't need the tweet to know Race Radio lobbied for the hog to be banned. I will tell you it went on constantly and I found it rather irritating and it put RR in a dim view for me. I can also tell you that he had every reason to be asking for moderation help because the hog was trolling him mercilessly, and the only thing that would stop it was RR leaving or a permaban for the hog. Full stop.

What needs to be heard loud and clear is that NONE of this had ANYTHING to do with Lemond. It was never, ever associated with a particular discussion, it was always about certain posters hounding other posters in thread after thread, all over the board. The post quoted above is nothing more than a direct hangover from those clashes. It has absolutely nothing to do with Lemond. I repeat, and adamantly stand by my statement, that what the hog says above is patently, unequivocally false.

I was there. I know what I'm talking about. For anyone, anyone at all who was not privvy to the conversation in the moderation forum to suggest otherwise is completely mis-informed and flat out wrong.

You were one of the more overtly balanced and objective mods handling the messier threads then. But you can't seriously be saying that calling out various posters posts on their bias and internal inconsistency wasn't met with huge backlash at the time?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Hahhaha, was just checking out the LeMond threat and saw it was closed? Please re open it, it is my dailey humour hour, jeez, no sources, just theories from people born around 1990.

Click bait.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re:

Hahhaha, was just checking out the LeMond threat and saw it was closed? Please re open it, it is my dailey humour hour, jeez, no sources, just theories from people born around 1990.

Click bait.

Not sure you are hooking into me or what. I was not born around 1990.

You would be ultimately fearful/frightful to know when I was born because it might not fit up tight into that predisposition.

baiting noted. clinking now.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Re: Re:

Not sure you are hooking into me or what. I was not born around 1990.

You would be ultimately fearful/frightful to know when I was born because it might not fit up tight into that predisposition.

baiting noted. clinking now.

Jeeeeeeeeez, Glen not included of course.

Duh.

My bad, sorry for the disturbance lassies.

[going to sleep now btw]

Post Scriptum: how can Maxiton moderate the LeMond thread Iran Dan and other mods?

 

[Maxiton]

Re:

Why on earth is a mod giving their personal opinion about another poster in this thread?

Race Radio hasn't been active here, or even logged on here, for many months. If he decides to return and become active here again, I will treat him in the same fair, even-handed way I treat other active members. No less than that, but also no more.

Up thread it was implied that RR had received favorable treatment here, which is the sole reason I mentioned him. I've no idea whether he was receiving favorable treatment, but was only pointing out that whatever the case he certainly won't be receiving it now, and definitely not from me. The same treatment as everyone else, yes, anything more, no.

 

[thehog]

I think it's great the LeMond thread has evolved. There was a time, when any mention of LeMond doping was met with a ban or lobbying for a ban. The Mods are doing an excellent job on this one.

This is patently false.

It might be exaggerated, but I'd put it a distance from false.

What we do know is the truth was revealed by a communal Twitter account that was set up to look like Race Radio's account. When fake RR sent a tweet Benson saying he had a list of trolls that needed to be banned, Benson (before realizing it was a fake account) responded that he would look over the list, confirming what observers already knew or suspected: That RR was using back channels to get rid of people.

I was a moderator here off and on for years. In all that time, I never heard a whisper, a hint, or the slightest word about moderation from Dan Benson. Never. There was never anything remotely like this in all the records in the moderation thread. As far as I could see there was never the slightest hint of intervention, and on the topic of Race Radio vs. the hog, I would have known. It was a daily problem.

What is certainly true is that Race Radio (and many other posters) have suggested, implied, lobbied for or flat out asked or even demanded other posters be banned. That some tweet to Dan Benson is trotted out as smoking gun of some kind of conspiracy is understandable, but the conclusions drawn from that tweet have no bearing on the truth and are absolutely off-base. You don't need the tweet to know Race Radio lobbied for the hog to be banned. I will tell you it went on constantly and I found it rather irritating and it put RR in a dim view for me. I can also tell you that he had every reason to be asking for moderation help because the hog was trolling him mercilessly, and the only thing that would stop it was RR leaving or a permaban for the hog. Full stop.

What needs to be heard loud and clear is that NONE of this had ANYTHING to do with Lemond. It was never, ever associated with a particular discussion, it was always about certain posters hounding other posters in thread after thread, all over the board. The post quoted above is nothing more than a direct hangover from those clashes. It has absolutely nothing to do with Lemond. I repeat, and adamantly stand by my statement, that what the hog says above is patently, unequivocally false.

I was there. I know what I'm talking about. For anyone, anyone at all who was not privvy to the conversation in the moderation forum to suggest otherwise is completely mis-informed and flat out wrong.

I was just thanking the mods to let the thread to run that's all... I had several bans because I mentioned LeMond.

I was also aware Race Radio was trying his best to ban me. I was above it to be honest. I avoided getting involved. He used to PM me and tried to turn me against other forum members. He tried to control the message which I think was the very point that he railed against Armstrong for... no other reason.

Happy for him to post his way of thought here again. He is subject like everyone else to a counter argument. I hear he is posting at Velorooms to a favourable audience, getting upset at Valverde but not much else. Good for him.

 

[Jspear]

Can we create one thread where there are no rules? Where posters can lampoon each other and pretty much say anything (except for death threats)? There are certain child training methods that say you just need to let the child unleash his anger and frustration and then he/she will be okay....maybe this would work on an internet forum?