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[BroDeal]

just to further the discussion: what about using the word "kill" for defeat as someone brought up earlier? most people would agree that "kill" is worse than "rape". yet, everyone knows this is not literal. perhaps the difference is "kill" is not very specific while "rape" conjures up definite images of violence.

"Murdered" is used in the same way.

 

[ElChingon]

"Murdered" is used in the same way.

Maybe the word filter should replace all of those words with owned or pwned, would have the same effect and meaning. Its the modern un-offensive offensive word.

 

[Spare Tyre]

just to further the discussion: what about using the word "kill" for defeat as someone brought up earlier? most people would agree that "kill" is worse than "rape". yet, everyone knows this is not literal. perhaps the difference is "kill" is not very specific while "rape" conjures up definite images of violence. on the other hand, "crush" is also used as a synonym for defeat and it is specific. what, if anything, makes rape different?

i don't want to orphan this topic, so perhaps it would be good to move to this forum blows. quote this and click on the link and we can continue this there if you are interested.

I have responded to this on the "this forum blows" thread.

/edit: It seems this has been moved to the 'relative impact of offensive terms' thread.

 

[Anonymous]

not being oversensitive, just expressing my personal opinion. Its one of the few words that should be a no go in general chat. Seems to be mainly used by young people and teenagers, and I gather its more of an American thing. Just not a word I think should be used lightly. I have been known to dish out lectures to children using it lightly.

 

[auscyclefan94]

not being oversensitive, just expressing my personal opinion. Its one of the few words that should be a no go in general chat. Seems to be mainly used by young people and teenagers, and I gather its more of an American thing. Just not a word I think should be used lightly. I have been known to dish out lectures to children using it lightly.

Can I ask, what is with your hate of everything American? Seems a little odd coming from someone who is very much self righteous about discrimination.

 

[Anonymous]

Can I ask, what is with your hate of everything American? Seems a little odd coming from someone who is very much self righteous about discrimination.

im not hating on america, im saying that it was my understanding that the origins of using the word in alternative contexts came out of america. Just like I cant stand British teens giving us the word "Whaateverrrrrrr"

But i dont hate everything American

I cant abide their leaders (cant abide britains leaders either)
I dont agree with their lust for war (Dont agree with GB following US into wars either)
I cant abide the Livestrong army that invade Paris each year (but then I also dont like chavs)
And I wont buy coca cola or nike (Or nestle products, or Proctor and Gamble products)

But I have met some lovely americans

 

[thirteen]

im not hating on america, im saying that it was my understanding that the origins of using the word in alternative contexts came out of america. Just like I cant stand British teens giving us the word "Whaateverrrrrrr"

But i dont hate everything American

I cant abide their leaders (cant abide britains leaders either)
I dont agree with their lust for war (Dont agree with GB following US into wars either)
I cant abide the Livestrong army that invade Paris each year (but then I also dont like chavs)
And I wont buy coca cola or nike (Or nestle products, or Proctor and Gamble products)

But I have met some lovely americans

gee, thanks

 

[The Hitch]

Will DAOTEC be allowed back?

 

[Martin318is]

Not as far as I am aware.

He knowingly bypassed a suspension by creating a second account. This is well known to be an offense that carries a permanent ban.

 

[The Hitch]

Not as far as I am aware.

He knowingly bypassed a suspension by creating a second account. This is well known to be an offense that carries a permanent ban.

He created the second account long before the suspension, and as TSF pointed out, would on occasion bizzarely use both these names in the same thread.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=407807#post407807

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=371467#post371467

And considering he openly admitted with his 2nd account that it was he himself using it, Im not sure if he knew he was commiting a life ban offense.

Message

You have been banned for the following reason:
Insulted other members even after having been warned several times the last few weeks

Date the ban will be lifted: 02-23-11, 11:00

I call it the insanity defense.


Anyway, the reason Im asking is because it was suggested both by you and Francois that DAOTEC might be let in after a long period out.

He has to take a very long term if not permanent ban for this act

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=439854&postcount=58

We are also flagging quite clearly here, that because of his vast positive services to the forum, the chances are very good that we would welcome his return at some point in the future

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=439954&postcount=61

Edit: and Barrus.

But because he used a sockpuppet to post, this has for now been changed to a indefinite suspension, which might be revised some time in the future, but even if this will be the case he will keep a very lenghty suspension because of the creation of another account, a few weeks will probably be shorter than what we have in mind.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=440136&postcount=64

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Not as far as I am aware.

He knowingly bypassed a suspension by creating a second account. This is well known to be an offense that carries a permanent ban.

But in the interest of fairness- as The Hitch points out, the consequences of opening a second account may not have been known.

From memory - clarifications on what happens with 2nd accounts were established after his ban.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Hitch, we have covered this extensively in the past, even in the very exchanges you are quoting us from. I am not sure why you re-raise the question without anything new on the table to talk about, given the time we took then to answer the same question.

Whether we would allow him back, or not, is immaterial right now. He would have to contact us first via email, and that hasn't happened. Since that hasn't happened, this is a hypothetical question, even when it gets raised by fellow members.

And since we are dealing with a real suspended member, in absence of him contacting us, it isn't right to discuss what would actually happen if it comes to that point. Not for us, not for him.

"Depends" is probably the right answer, given that we have had a couple of (exceptional) cases where a life-long ban has been altered into "return with strict string attached". But "no contact by him" means we have far too many outstanding questions regarding his hypothetical future attitude to the forum to fill in, stuff that would all influence a discussion in this.

We said it then, I'll repeat it here: step 1 is for him to contact us.

Up until then, this is a closed issue.

 

[Francois the Postman]

But in the interest of fairness- as The Hitch points out, the consequences of opening a second account may not have been known.

From memory - clarifications on what happens with 2nd accounts were established after his ban.

Posting from a second account, whist serving a ban, has always carried the perma-ban sentence. It is a total no-no.

The only clarifications (not rule-changes) that came later were about opening a secondary account without posting from it, and having a secondary account without serving that ban.

These are also prohibited. The rule is that everyone has one active account. In certain specific circumstances we will allow an existing member to migrate to a new account, and anyone who wants to open a new account should contact us first and explain their request. Having a second account without telling us, upon discovery, will be an issue that can have dire consequences.

Like all rules, mods do reserve some discretionary powers here, so we can deal with situations depending on their own merit. There are only a handful of cases where we have given people the option to start a new account, and even less cases where we allowed someone to come back from a permanent ban.

 

[gregod]

Posting from a second account, whilst serving a ban, has always carried the perma-ban sentence. It is a total no-no.

The only clarifications (not rule-changes) that came later were about opening a secondary account without posting from it, and having a secondary account without serving that ban.

These are also prohibited. The rule is that everyone has one active account. In certain specific circumstances we will allow an existing member to migrate to a new account, and anyone who wants to open a new account should contact us first and explain their request. Having a second account without telling us, upon discovery, will be an issue that can have dire consequences.

Like all rules, mods do reserve some discretionary powers here, so we can deal with situations depending on their own merit. There are only a handful of cases where we have given people the option to start a new account, and even less cases where we allowed someone to come back from a permanent ban.

everybody understands the rule. and i think i know why such a harsh punishment is meted out; BPC and all of his aliases created havoc. but in my opinion the permanent ban for avoiding a ban should be reconsidered, especially for someone who only did it once. the reason someone creates a ban avoiding account is because they really want to participate in the CN community. so, a little forgiveness may be in order. this is not to say there should be no punishment. but voting someone of the island forever should be reserved for things that extremely offend the entire community, in my opinion.

i don't know DAOTEC or had much interaction with him/her, but since many people want him/her back, at the very least maybe the mods could exercise some of their discretionary powers.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

i don't know DAOTEC or had much interaction with him/her, but since many people want him/her back, at the very least maybe the mods could exercise some of their discretionary powers.

As has been previously pointed out, the initiative must come from the banned user. This has not happened.

Susan

 

[Martin318is]

the reason someone creates a ban avoiding account is because they really want to participate in the CN community. so, a little forgiveness may be in order.

If someone wants to 'change their ways' and come back during a long ban then they can contact CN through email channels and discuss a return. This action has resulted in at least one member coming back under a more restricted ruleset.

What does NOT work is bypassing a moderator ruling and staging a comeback without contacting us first. That gets a permanent ban.

 

[Sylvester]

DAOTEC can be followed on the 2cycle.be forum, his username there is Spanglish and he provides a lot of entertainment for the whole forum posting incomprehensible nonsense, pictures and links in three or more languages, mostly about the Clasico RCN (for those who didn't know DAOTEC: this is a classic DAOTEC thread, in which he mostly interacts with himself) and about doping. Frankly, I don't think he wants to return here.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Frankly, I don't think he wants to return here.

Which is what the mods have been assuming.

Susan

 

[Anonymous]

I don't think he wants to return here.

I don't think that many people want him back.

 

[Anonymous]

Whoa, Nellie. According to you, I was right and you were wrong and you were totally okay with what I said because (again, according to you) you "deserved the criticism". But I guess not really, huh?

I'll be happy to address your post in detail in a few hours, if that's what you really want. Right now I have some commitments outside this forum that require my time. So I'll just apologize again for having been harsh while being right (which always stings more than being harsh but wrong).

Where did you get that? Where did I imply that? I was simply doing what you Christians are supposed to be doing: putting myself in my brother's shoes. Exercising some empathy, a little compassion.

Let me just add this: I was surprised to hear of your deeply held Christian faith. Why? Mostly because you are one of those who chortles loudest and dances a gleeful little jig at the prospect of prison rape for Lance Armstrong (when you're not busy calling his mother a whore, and other nasty stuff).

I'll get back to this later.

I see that you have not posted any instances where I wrote with joy about Armstrong being raped in prison, or calling Linda Armstrong a "wh_re." I will take that as an admission you pulled it out of your a**

 

[ChrisE]

I see that you have not posted any instances where I wrote with joy about Armstrong being raped in prison, or calling Linda Armstrong a "wh_re." I will take that as an admission you pulled it out of your a**

I think you act exactly like a Christian with your vulgarity, smack talk, vengeance streak, and lack of self awareness.

So, score one for me about not questioning your faith.

 

[Martin318is]

The moderators are not going to keep happily cleaning up this thread and reminding people to stay on the topic of moderation of this site.

Discussion about DAOTEC's ban is on topic because it centres around the forum rules and an action taken by moderators. Discussion of who said what, why, and what religion they are has nothing to do with the moderation of the site and as such is off topic.

Please take this post as a final warning to stay on topic in this thread or an infraction will be awarded.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

None of the contests rival Rocky Balboa v Clubber Lang, but here's my take on the main combatants ATM -

Thread with their Combatants
Quadafi's death The Hitch v Ramjambunath (& others)
General Politics rhubroma v ScottSoCal v RedTreviso v GreGod v sheesh v Glenn Wilson v The World (& others)
Lance Armstrong Polish v RaceRadio, CimaCoppi49, The World (& others) FFS bring on the indictments!
Crank Length FrankDay v CoachFergie (Probably my personal favourite... these guys just keep bashing the sh!t out of each other with no end in sight, world wars have lesser time frames)
Babes on Bikes Krebs303 v The Mods. Go Krebs… fight the good fight.
Any thread that mentions a Columbian RyoHazuki v Everyone including aliens and a previously unknown race of pygmies in the Amazon rainforest who wish to argue just because.
Any Thread that mentions Cadel ACF94 v The World
109 clenbuterol positives in U17 football WC
Dr Maserati v Python (See Crank Length Thread above, these guys have settled in for the long haul!)

We indeed live in interesting times.

you forgot

el pickle vs common sense

 

[auscyclefan94]

you forgot

el pickle vs common sense

cheap shot....but i like it!

 

[bicing]

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