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[sittingbison]

(s)he lost 20 pounds the last time, even sipping chardonnay

Anyway I reconsidered, but its still a month.

And after going back over it all AGAIN (why I get paid the big bucks ) I am extending race radio to a fortnight, and throwing chewie under the bus for a few days for joining in 3rd man with insults....just like Netserk, Dear Wiggo and JimmyFingers in Sky last week

Robust discussion is one thing, I don't even mind (quite like actually) some over egging the pudding with exaggerations, but resorting to insults especially when its 3rd man in is not on.

 

[Hugh Januss]

(s)he lost 20 pounds the last time, even sipping chardonnay

Anyway I reconsidered, but its still a month.

And after going back over it all AGAIN (why I get paid the big bucks ) I am extending race radio to a fortnight, and throwing chewie under the bus for a few days for joining in 3rd man with insults....just like Netserk, Dear Wiggo and JimmyFingers in Sky last week

Robust discussion is one thing, I don't even mind (quite like actually) some over egging the pudding with exaggerations, but resorting to insults especially when its 3rd man in is not on.

Nope dude, this is all effing BS, thehog trolls, if a poster with an exceptional record of being right at just about every turn wants to call him out on his stuff maybe mods with really no history and no knowledge of what is going on should just......well, how did Dr. M put it? Do what they do best and just sit on their hands, and do nothing. Yep, that's about right.
So, this place still sucks.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Nope dude, this is all effing BS, thehog trolls, if a poster with an exceptional record of being right at just about every turn wants to call him out on his stuff maybe mods with really no history and no knowledge of what is going on should just......well, how did Dr. M put it? Do what they do best and just sit on their hands, and do nothing. Yep, that's about right.
So, this place still sucks.

This.

After extending RR's holiday, seems like BS had another little re-think (U turn) and chopped off two-thirds on the hog's ban.
(see it is possible, so how about Dr Mas?)
The guy is Teflon coated: a repeat, repeat offender.
So, business as usual in 5 weeks, after the usual week of treading softly.

 

[sittingbison]

Nope dude, this is all effing BS, thehog trolls, if a poster with an exceptional record of being right at just about every turn wants to call him out on his stuff maybe mods with really no history and no knowledge of what is going on should just......well, how did Dr. M put it? Do what they do best and just sit on their hands, and do nothing. Yep, that's about right.
So, this place still sucks.

I don't disagree with the bolded. Problem is the way to go about it

After re-reading the past two days interaction it is clear race radio chose the wrong path. Even given the red, it does not give race radio or any other member the right to personally attack, insult or abuse another poster.

Report the post, and let a mod deal with it. There, bolded the operative bit.

...The guy is Teflon coated: a repeat, repeat offender.
So, business as usual in 5 weeks, after the usual week of treading softly.

thehog is in the last chance saloon. And knows it. Still doesn't give others the right to insult or bait him

 

[Netserk]

From what I read of it (most but not all) RR was at least as bad as hog.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

From what I read of it (most but not all) RR was at least as bad as hog.

Agreed .

 

[King Boonen]

You know what would be really interesting. If someone were to go through the suspension thread and make a chart detailing who was banned for what by which mod and what that mods position is on the discussion they were banned in...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You know what would be really interesting. If someone were to go through the suspension thread and make a chart detailing who was banned for what by which mod and what that mods position is on the discussion they were banned in...

If there was an obvious pattern, the banned users would have noticed and raised it as an issue, IMO.

The bannable offences outweigh any potential bias in banning.

 

[Night Rider]

From what I read of it (most but not all) RR was at least as bad as hog.

I read all of it, commented while it was going on about how ridiculous it was and agree with you.

 

[timmers]

You know what would be really interesting. If someone were to go through the suspension thread and make a chart detailing who was banned for what by which mod and what that mods position is on the discussion they were banned in...

It would be but finding out the truth might be difficult as posts may disappear!

What is annoying for myself and i would think others who do not buy into the "everyone is doping" theme is when you get a poster continually lying and distorting the facts and the moderators do not pull them up but condone it!

According to one poster Wiggins was been trained by Ferrari in Tenerife but no evidence, Richie Porte talked to Ashenden but no evidence etc etc.

If people state an opinion once that is okay but to repeat falsehoods continually should lead to permanent bans.

Perhaps bring back the Maserati to keep the moderators on track!

 

[King Boonen]

If there was an obvious pattern, the banned users would have noticed and raised it as an issue, IMO.

The bannable offences outweigh any potential bias in banning.

It's more interesting to see what certain mods see as a bannable offense from one side but don't notice it from the side they are more likely to agree with.


Also, we know what happens when you notice a pattern and raise it as an issue...

 

[Night Rider]

Richie Porte talked to Ashenden but no evidence etc etc.

Jeez, I would like to see that post. Who wrote it? Was it a wind up?

 

[King Boonen]

What is annoying for myself and i would think others who do not buy into the "everyone is doping" theme is when you get a poster continually lying and distorting the facts and the moderators do not pull them up but condone it!

According to one poster Wiggins was been trained by Ferrari in Tenerife but no evidence, Richie Porte talked to Ashenden but no evidence etc etc.

If people state an opinion once that is okay but to repeat falsehoods continually should lead to permanent bans.

This is why I have an issue with the rewording of the rule surrounding supporting evidence. I still think if someone makes a claim they should explicitly state it is an opinion or provide some evidence for it.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

You know what would be really interesting. If someone were to go through the suspension thread and make a chart detailing who was banned for what by which mod and what that mods position is on the discussion they were banned in...

The moderator posting the ban is not necessarily the one who issued the ban.

 

[martinvickers]

This.

After extending RR's holiday, seems like BS had another little re-think (U turn) and chopped off two-thirds on the hog's ban.
(see it is possible, so how about Dr Mas?)
The guy is Teflon coated: a repeat, repeat offender.
So, business as usual in 5 weeks, after the usual week of treading softly.

thehog is a repeat offender, but most of the time (s)he's harmless. There are some offenders get considerably more leeway, who deserve it considerably less. No matter how thin the ice they are said to be standing on, it never seems to break beneath them...

 

[King Boonen]

The moderator posting the ban is not necessarily the one who issued the ban.

Well that's a massive flaw in my suggestion . Why is this the case? Surely if someone has time to ban someone they have time to update the suspension thread? It must take about 30 seconds.

 

[Ferminal]

Well that's a massive flaw in my suggestion . Why is this the case? Surely if someone has time to ban someone they have time to update the suspension thread? It must take about 30 seconds.

Think about it as it relates to your original suggestion.

 

[King Boonen]

Think about it as it relates to your original suggestion.

I don't see that as a problem unless the mods have something to hide. If something is worthy of a ban then the poster should be banned, but mods are meant to be impartial and if a mod is constantly banning people on one side of an argument, the side they are most likely to disagree with, and not the other then this is a problem and the suspension thread would draw attention to it.

 

[Netserk]

I don't see that as a problem unless the mods have something to hide. If something is worthy of a ban then the poster should be banned, but mods are meant to be impartial and if a mod is constantly banning people on one side of an argument, the side they are most likely to disagree with, and not the other then this is a problem and the suspension thread would draw attention to it.

Often it's not 'one mod decides to ban someone', but often several mods agreeing to take action.

 

[King Boonen]

Often it's not 'one mod decides to ban someone', but often several mods agreeing to take action.

That's a more interesting point I didn't know, thanks. Is that usually the case?

 

[King Boonen]

With regards to The Hog, I think he gets so many passes because he takes his lumps and gets on with it. I like the guy, even if he can make some discussions unreadable.

 

[Mellow Velo]

thehog is a repeat offender, but most of the time (s)he's harmless. There are some offenders get considerably more leeway, who deserve it considerably less. No matter how thin the ice they are said to be standing on, it never seems to break beneath them...

I agree with the highlighted 100%.

Thing is about the hog, he's had countless short term bans, which have had zero effect.
SB finally gives him a ban he would seriously have to think about, then relents
to the same state of play.
I seriously doubt that the "Last Chance Saloon" is where he currently sits.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

That's a more interesting point I didn't know, thanks. Is that usually the case?

Frequently.

 

[ChrisE]

From what I read of it (most but not all) RR was at least as bad as hog.

RR elevated it, by going pedantic on investment return %'s. He even kept baiting me to respond to his nitpicks on hog's posts and I wouldn't bite. I explained the issue to him in the simplest terms, and he kept on.

Hog's original premise was correct IMO, in that LA is not really losing as much on paper as RR believes in his dreams. And, most of you know I am not a fan of the hog so there's also that. Knowing I was agreeing with hog, in general, did make me reconsider for a few minutes.

Giving RR the benefit of the doubt after 20 pages of BS, just because of his standing in the forum, is not the way to view it and is a big problem with many posters IMO. I even stated so in a post....BS gets so thick default prejudices just win out in the day. Even HJ upthread was going down this route, just knowing that RR was in a fight with somebody so RR must be right.

RR is not beyond reproach, and the dude is hanging on too hard, so much that an unneeded meltdown happened in that thread, and several people get banned. His whole life is LA 24/7, and LA is having a big laugh over it.

 

[Netserk]

I agree with the highlighted 100%.

Thing is about the hog, he's had countless short term bans, which have had zero effect.
SB finally gives him a ban he would seriously have to think about, then relents
to the same state of play.
I seriously doubt that the "Last Chance Saloon" is where he currently sits.

I think Ryo is still the king of (short term) bans.

He's hardly acting differently than he ever did.